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2008-07-14 9:08 AM

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Subject: Lose 5 lbs. = shave 2:30 off your 10K time?
I was speaking with a good friend of mine this morning as we were trying to forestall getting in the pool. He mentioned that he had read that losing 5 pounds would speed up your 10K by 2:30. I believe that is about 25 seconds per mile.

Now, he didn't give me a source of course (I didn't ask), and I'm sure this wouldn't be the case for already elite runners. However, do you think losing 5 pounds would be this significant for the average weekend warrior, MOPer? It seemed like a big number to me....

-Matt


2008-07-14 9:12 AM
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I've seen a few sources that say 1lb = 2 secs per mile...

http://www.runningforfitness.org/calc/weighteffect.php?metres=21100...

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2008-07-14 9:12 AM
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Well, my question would be this:

 What brought about the speed, the lost weight, or the training that it took to lose the weight?

I'm willing to bet that if the 5 lbs was lost by increasing training load, said weight loss was secondary. 

2008-07-14 9:12 AM
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Go lose 5 pounds and let us know. 

2008-07-14 9:19 AM
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The key is, if you lose 5 pounds AND MAINTAIN THE SAME WATTS! If your watts go down with the weight it doesn't apply. If you push 250 watts at 200lbs and 250 watts at 195lbs, it applies.

2008-07-14 9:20 AM
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bradword - 2008-07-14 9:19 AM

The key is, if you lose 5 pounds AND MAINTAIN THE SAME WATTS! If your watts go down with the weight it doesn't apply. If you push 250 watts at 200lbs and 250 watts at 195lbs, it applies.



I'm pretty sure they don't let you ride a bike in a 10K


2008-07-14 9:28 AM
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Subject: RE: Lose 5 lbs. = shave 2:30 off your 10K time?

If it is true then I should be running alot faster by now.  I started at 240lbs a year ago and am now 199lbs.

I started at 12 min miles a year ago and did a 9:59per mile 10k in Feb and a 9:09per mile 5k 2 weeks ago. 

Let's see, 12 min miles and 40lbs lost. 

He said 25 seconds for every mile for every 5 lbs.  40lbs / 5lbs = 8.   8 times 25 secs = 3min 33 seconds saved.

My 5k should have been 12min miles minus 3min 33sec = 8:27 min per mile and that is assuming no training according to the statement.

Personally, going through alot of weight loss, I definately notice a difference but it is a combination of training and weight loss and I think the training is a larger % but they can't be separated. 

 

2008-07-14 9:48 AM
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Could also be that losing weight improves time because it decreases knee/ankle abuse. Better knees/ankles = a little faster. Another factor to consider.
2008-07-14 10:08 AM
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Yes, this is true as long as you are not so thin that losing weight comes at the expense of muscle. For most people this is not the case. Basically you can go into a set of VO2 max tables and calculate for your self. VO2 max is expressed with weight (generally per kilogram) in the equation. For me it holds pretty accurate. Of course, there are other things that correlate pretty well, the more I run, the lighter I become and the faster I become. Jack Daniels, the famous exercise physiologist, running coach, and author used to state 2 sec/lbs as a rule of thumb.
2008-07-14 10:36 AM
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running2far - 2008-07-14 9:20 AM
bradword - 2008-07-14 9:19 AM The key is, if you lose 5 pounds AND MAINTAIN THE SAME WATTS! If your watts go down with the weight it doesn't apply. If you push 250 watts at 200lbs and 250 watts at 195lbs, it applies.
I'm pretty sure they don't let you ride a bike in a 10K

I do a 10K time trial (yes, that's on the bike) in competition twice a year.

2008-07-14 10:43 AM
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Subject: RE: Lose 5 lbs. = shave 2:30 off your 10K time?
Why not carry an extra 5lbs next time you do a 10k and see if it makes you 2:30 slower?


2008-07-14 11:31 AM
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OOPS! Well even with running there is "power". Same idea applies. You stay with the same power but loose weight = bingo!
2008-07-14 12:27 PM
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I just tossed 15 lbs and I will find out very soon if it has shaved off any time.
2008-07-14 4:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Lose 5 lbs. = shave 2:30 off your 10K time?

Unfortunately, you can lose muscle weight even if you aren't skinny (i.e., low body fat).  Alas, if you train and eat improperly, your body doesn't forgive you -- it doesn't know that you want to lose the fat rather than the muscle.

In fact, I'd speculate (but this is pure speculation) that somebody who is skinny (let's say < 9% body fat for a male) is LESS likely to have the problem of losing muscle weight, on the theory that such a person got skinny in the first place by properly training his body to burn fat.

 

2008-07-14 8:50 PM
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I will promise you that there are very very few people who will not get faster by losing weight. Running is different from cycling in the respect that with each stride there is a work component that involves vertical displacement of your center of gravity. With cycling, weight primarily affects you climbing in the hills and in acceleration. Elite runners are far lighter than elite cyclists, even though in either sport you will find very low body fat. Good diet is essential to training well. It is difficult to balance a moderate caloric deficit with intense training-it is easy to over do it and bonk from time to time.
2008-07-14 9:52 PM
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Subject: RE: Lose 5 lbs. = shave 2:30 off your 10K time?
I crashed and lost two pounds in flesh, but ended up only losing 4 weeks of training.

Does that count?



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