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2008-08-05 5:58 AM

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Subject: Long Ride advice
Okay, so I'm kicking into the long ride mode for IMFL. Do you stop to refuel? Get coffee? Pee? For how long? Should you not get off the bike at all except for a quicky repurchase?
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Rhonda


2008-08-05 6:48 AM
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I think you should ride how you plan to race.  Your not gonna have aid stations so carry as much as you can on your bike.   You can either set up a loop so that you ride by your house or car for more nutrition or carry some cash for more gatorade/water.   But I would keep riding.  The first few long rides go so slow that its your butt that gives out before your legs.
2008-08-05 6:58 AM
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Remember that your long rides are not only to increase your endurance but also to find out how you tolerate different nutrition.  Use those rides to test different products/concentrations/frequency/etc.

Aside from that, look for a course that will allow you to stop for fluids roughly every 20 miles since that is what you'll have on race day.  Minimize your time off the bike by simply filling your bottles and getting moving again.  Once on your bike, you can practice eating and riding, if you picked up solid foods at your stop.

2008-08-05 7:17 AM
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Subject: RE: Long Ride advice
CubeFarmGopher - 2008-08-05 7:58 AM

Remember that your long rides are not only to increase your endurance but also to find out how you tolerate different nutrition.  Use those rides to test different products/concentrations/frequency/etc.

Aside from that, look for a course that will allow you to stop for fluids roughly every 20 miles since that is what you'll have on race day.  Minimize your time off the bike by simply filling your bottles and getting moving again.  Once on your bike, you can practice eating and riding, if you picked up solid foods at your stop.

X2 - It sounds like he's done a few long rides.

2008-08-06 10:59 AM
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Let me pile on here. Completely agree with the "keep going" concept. You want to make sure your legs, and stomach for that matter, don't get used to "catch up periods" of rest. As mentioned above you have to get in the calories on the bike to set yourself up for the marathon (where most folks can't drink or get the calories in without puking). So much of the long bike training is getting your body to learn how to process more calories while in motion. Experiment with how much you can get in without having negetive effects (bloated gut, GI issues, etc.). Personally, I try to only have 2 quick bottle fill stops on a 100 mile ride (1 stop in the cooler time of the year). This means I am dragging about 5 lbs of fluids and food along, but hey the extra weigh makes you stronger.

Good luck training!
2008-08-06 12:33 PM
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That's funny you mention the weight of extra liquid. We do everything we can to cut grams here and there on our bikes. And then I realized that at the start of my long rides I have 108 ounces of water/Heed on board. This weighs 6.75 pounds plus the weight of the rear bottle carrier.

I'm thinking on race day I will only have the aero bottle (24 ounce) and downtube bottle (28 ounce) and pick up replacements along the way. That will cut about 3.5 pounds from my race weight. I wonder what the wattage implications are.


2008-08-06 1:07 PM
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I echo most of what was said above. I carry all my nutrition with me (plus extra just in case I get stuck out there longer than planned). I do also start the ride with more fluids than I start my IM race with. I carry all my g'ade but plan to make stops for more water. The number of stops depends on weather mostly; but I did plenty of 5- to 6-hr rides with zero or one stops. Sometimes I stop to pee, sometimes I don't; it really depends on the mood and some other factors. Pee stops are typically just behind a bush or something. The most important thing to work on during long rides is nutrition. Make it a habit and make sure your body responds well to your plan. I eat my pre-race dinner the night before all my long rides/bricks, and eat my pre-race breakfast the morning of. I try to be up for 2 hrs before my long rides, but that was a little tough during the hot summer months when I wanted to be on the road by 5 a.m.

Also, don't forget sunblock, extra tubes and CO2, money, cell phone, tell someone your route, etc.

2008-08-06 5:44 PM
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I agree with the above re: sticking to riding and not stopping unless needed, but I also think that for your first really long ride you need to be mentally prepared that you might need more stops, refills, etc. than you ultimately will at IM. It's a new experience so don't be surprised if you realize you are starving and have to find something to eat, you need to stop and stretch your back, or you need to stop at a store to get something different to drink. I almost beat myself up mentally for my first 70 mile ride when I had to stop for Advil (I had forgotten that and my back was killing me). Sure, it was a 5 minute stop at a store that I hadn't counted on, but that was part of the learning curve for what I would need in the future. Good luck with your ride!

2008-08-06 6:17 PM
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For IM train like you race, race like you train.
2008-08-06 6:17 PM
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I just stop at a 7-11 and pick up stuff.  Do it at a reasonable pace and fill up my bottles (I'll carry 4, 2 on the bike and 2 in my jersey pockets which good for a about 40 miles for me) so as not to lock the legs up.

Having a 5 minute interruption in your training is not going to hurt you one bit.  Heck, it may even mentally refresh you!

Think of it as "stopping for your special needs bag" .........

2008-08-06 6:28 PM
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On my long rides 90-115 miles I would probably stop 2x for liquids and few more times to pee..but I find anywhere to go or know where the port a potties are on my route (great place is kids ball fields). Often I would stop at home after about 40-45 miles for more liquid that I had made and ready in basement fridge.Race day I stopped twice to visit with my family for maybe 60" each time..no stop at special needs, all aid stations are drive bys....they had aid stations every 10 miles at Lake Placid and the volunteers were great at hand offs if you pointed or eyed them so they knew you were looking for what they had.I worried I stopped to much on my long rides, but truth was I didn't really need to practice peeing on my bike as I'm good at that and don't need any more practice.Race day it was so easy..catered training day and so much easier than training. If only training was as easy as IM race days. Do the training and enjoy your race day!It may sound strange but I miss my 6+ hour long rides for IM training.

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2008-08-11 2:22 PM
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To keep going, I have a 70oz Camelbak, Two-24oz Bottles on the down and seat tubes, and for the REALLY long rides Two-24oz bottles on the Aquarack behing-the-seat carrier.
For serious heat you could always buy a 100oz Camelbak, and add a gel-cooled PolarPak 100oz bladder!
I have yet to need more than 166oz of liquid, but if I did, Magnum makes 32oz bottles so my theoretical max, with a 100oz Camelbak would be 228oz.
That's 14 and 1/4 POUNDS of liquid... it can be done.
2008-08-11 9:34 PM
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I completely agree you should train like you're going to race. But, I have no choice but to stop twice to go into the store and re-fill Gatorade and water bottles. When it's close to 100 outside in the Texas heat you're much better off stopping to make sure you're properly hydrated. I get in, get out, fill up bottles and get back on the road as quickly as I can.
2008-08-12 6:33 AM
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rbalazs - 2008-08-11 10:34 PM

I completely agree you should train like you're going to race. But, I have no choice but to stop twice to go into the store and re-fill Gatorade and water bottles. When it's close to 100 outside in the Texas heat you're much better off stopping to make sure you're properly hydrated. I get in, get out, fill up bottles and get back on the road as quickly as I can.


Same here. And really, in the big scheme of things, how much of a difference can a couple of quick stops really make? I don't think its worth worrying about.

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2008-08-12 2:04 PM
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For your early long rides, I would highly recommend taking breaks to refuel. It will be much easier on you mentally to ride three 33 mile legs than one 100 mile route. You can always build up to 100 miles straight, but frankly look for a fully supported charity ride if you want to do that.
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