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2008-10-27 1:33 PM

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Subject: pros/cons of training with power on your bike
What are the pros/cons with training with power on your bike? Also, how different is it training with power indoors vs outdoors? Finally, are there any books out there that are specific on training with power on a bike?

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2008-10-27 1:46 PM
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Subject: RE: pros/cons of training with power on your bike

Pros: There is not guessing in terms of intensity and it allows you to have specifc target goals for your training. It allows you to go back and anaylze data to learn when you made a mistake. It allows you to quantify your training load and learn how much is too much for you or when it is not enough. You can also use this to plan training (periodirize), plan tapering and peaks.

Cons: They are expensive and you need to learn how to use it or have someone who does. Otherwise it becomes an expensive cycling computer

Remember: A power meter will always be a complement to RPE and not a substitute.

Books I would recommend 1st The Triathlete's Guide to Training With Power by Phil Skiba, 2nd Training with a power meter by Coggan and Allen

2008-10-27 9:46 PM
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Subject: RE: pros/cons of training with power on your bike
I'll add to jorge's response:

pros: easily and objectively measure improvements in your performance, in other words, is your training working?

cons: requires somewhat diligent uploading and anaylsis of workouts using either the training software that will come with your power meter, or another commercial product (Raceday, Cycling Peaks, etc).

For some people, that con will actually be a pro. But if you don't like details, can't balance your checkbook, run out of gas regularly, etc...you might reconsider...
2008-10-28 8:59 AM
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I would get the books Jorge mentioned first and read them then decide if you want to train with power.  I've been reading the "training with power by Cogan" for a few days now and my Powertap should be arriving by the end of this week.  Reading about it first helped me decide how it would best help me.

One other pro that I didnt' see listed is if you are using a coach then they can see exactly what you are doing,  which also might give you more motivation while riding. 

2008-10-28 9:15 AM
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Subject: RE: pros/cons of training with power on your bike
Gaarryy - 2008-10-28 8:59 AM

One other pro that I didnt' see listed is if you are using a coach then they can see exactly what you are doing,  which also might give you more motivation while riding. 

true. some athletes don't really care for the PM data nor have any interest in learning about it. They just want to know what they need to do for training to make the faster, hence I send them training sessions, they do it and email me their file.

I am the one who gets all geeky with the data and use it to enhance their training, plan peaks, tapering, etc. They just get the easy orders: go fast, go easy, go long, repeat

2008-10-28 9:16 AM
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Subject: RE: pros/cons of training with power on your bike
Thanks everyone for your responses. They are all very helpful. I am a bit of a numbers nerd, so I like raw data and analyzing it.

Does anyone have any recommendations on what do about a rear wheel with a PowerTap? Is it possible to find a PowerTap - compatible wheel that can be used for both training and racing?


2008-10-28 10:29 AM
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Subject: RE: pros/cons of training with power on your bike

Get a PT training wheel and add a disc cover for racing.

 

2008-10-28 11:19 AM
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Subject: RE: pros/cons of training with power on your bike
you can have the power tap built into any wheel you like, but then you're stuck with training on your racing wheel. For road racing, not as abig a deal as for tri/time trial.

YOu could do what's suggested above, you could rent racing power wheels (racedaywheels.com), you could buy 2 power taps OR get an SRM which is in the crank/BB (forget which) and you can swap wheels easily.
2008-10-28 2:21 PM
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Subject: RE: pros/cons of training with power on your bike

there is also a new player in the powermeter market. It works similar to a SRM in that it is part of the crank spider, so you can use whatever wheeels you want. It is also cheaper than a SRM (actually a F22 Fighter jet might b echeaper than a SRM)

It is called Quarq CinQo (www.quarq.us)

 I have been trying to find out a little more about it, as I would like to look into training with power and would like to make the best bang for buck purchase, so if anyone has any info or experience with this please post.



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2008-10-28 2:37 PM
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Subject: RE: pros/cons of training with power on your bike
qrkid - 2008-10-28 3:21 PM

there is also a new player in the powermeter market. It works similar to a SRM in that it is part of the crank spider, so you can use whatever wheeels you want. It is also cheaper than a SRM (actually a F22 Fighter jet might b echeaper than a SRM)

It is called Quarq CinQo (www.quarq.us)

 I have been trying to find out a little more about it, as I would like to look into training with power and would like to make the best bang for buck purchase, so if anyone has any info or experience with this please post.

Unless you really like to change wheels on your bike, I would still suggest the PT.  The Quarq is intriguing, but so was the Ergomo before the company went bust and users left without any support (for a product that apparently needed a lot of it).  If you wait a few years, you'll have much better data to decide if the Quarq has enough staying power to warrant the sizable investment.

2008-10-28 2:42 PM
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Subject: RE: pros/cons of training with power on your bike

AdventureBear - 2008-10-28 12:19 PM you can have the power tap built into any wheel you like, but then you're stuck with training on your racing wheel. For road racing, not as abig a deal as for tri/time trial. YOu could do what's suggested above, you could rent racing power wheels (racedaywheels.com), you could buy 2 power taps OR get an SRM which is in the crank/BB (forget which) and you can swap wheels easily.

 Powertap is pretty clutch if you have 2 bikes or more bikes, as myself. (Tri and Road for now, Cross and Track to be added soon-ish). And the only extra part I'd have to order is another mount (as long as you get the wireless model). Then you can also rent race wheels that have Powertaps for your big races. I'd suggest Echappe mainly because I work for them haha. We offer an American Classic 58, Zipp 808, and Zipp Sub 9 all in powertap.

But truth, don't get it unless you know how to use it or have a coach that does and can process all the weird squiggly lines.

Shanks



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