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2008-12-08 9:38 PM

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Subject: Ironman Burnout
Im sure this topic has been discussed many times but I could sincerely use everyone's advice.

After a year of training for Ironman Florida..and a DNF at that race this year, I am finding that I am having a hard time with motivation and staying focused on training for 09. How do you guys handle what is I guess is the "off season"? How does your training look different in these months of December and January? I know you just don't STOP ... or do you??

I am determined to complete this race in 2009 but I also don't want to go so hard that I burnout months before the race. Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated!!


2008-12-08 9:52 PM
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Subject: RE: Ironman Burnout

Take a break. Some most people can't go 110% for 12 months. You have plenty of time before IMFL, enjoy your time away. Soon you will be itching to get back at it. After that, take it slowly, then go for it. No excuses, no slacking and always remember what you are training for.

Just my .02



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2008-12-08 10:03 PM
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I face the same thing.  Last year was tough and I took almost three month off.  Within a month of training my speed was back my prior speed on the bike and the run was off by just a tad.  

What I got out of the break was energy to redo this TRi thingy again.  Good luck!

2008-12-08 10:11 PM
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Yeah, now is the time for some downtime- just do what you want to do now.  But also pick some intermediate goals- November is late in the year and that's just too long to focus on a single goal of finishing an IM, even though it is.

Speaking from personal experience, while the physical recovery from an IM DNF is far easier than the physical recovery from completing one, especially when one doesn't get to the marathon, the mental/emotional recovery takes a lot longer with the DNF.  I've kind of come to the conclusion that in my own personal case, after the debacle at IMLP this year, that the mental/emotional pain of that miserable experience will always be there in trace amounts, but that's not a bad thing, as it will keep me focused when I want to quit in the future.  I cannot imagine the impact on someone that did not finish their first IM.  There's definitely a danger in either pushing too hard too soon, or conversely, of being too defeated to do anything.  Rogillio posted some great advice in response to a thread I started back in July that you may wish to read...

2008-12-08 10:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Ironman Burnout
I am one of those people that believes .. "if you fall off the horse, you need to get back on...FAST!!..or you may never ride again." I walked away from IM FL with such respect for the race, the people that completed it, the people that organize it (what an undertaking), and for the pros that do it for a living. Of course I was disappointed but I had so many great experiences during that weekend, I could never really view it negatively!!! I learned ALOT but I feel like Im just so damn tired.

How long of a break??? What kind of maintenance workouts do people do??
2008-12-09 5:28 AM
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You need a break from training not from swimming, biking and running.  I've run for 10+ years and have never not run for more than a couple of weeks.  Erercise is part of my life just like eating, getting my haircut and doing laundry.  You don't get tired of doing laundry and decide to 'take a break' and just quit.  You change things up somehow. 

Having said that, I totally understand your question. 

My suggestions for off-season:

1.  Run.  This is fundamental to keeping your aerobic engine going.  Don't run tempo runs and fartleks and intervals and speed work....just run.  Run for the simple pleasure of running.  If it's cold and/or wet, run on a treadmill.  If you want to sleep in on the weekend and blow off your long run, sleep in.

2.  Find something else you enjoy that promotes fitness.  Golf, hiking, aerobics class, karate lessons, dance lessons, weight lifting, push-up challange, snow skiing, etc.  The hardest part of IM training for me is time management.  I spent most of my free time training s/b/r that there was not much time to do much else.  Use the off-season to do 'something else'.

3.  Swim and bike for fun and not part of a training regiment.  Don't schedule a bike ride every Saturday or a swim 3x a week but if you get up on Saturday and the sun is shinning and the birds are singing and you have nothing planned for the day, go for a ride.  Not a training ride though.  Just ride to enjoy the fresh air and see the country side and wildlife.

Good discussion post.  I wrote most of that above as consiglier to myself - take whatever you can use and disregard the rest.

~Mike



2008-12-09 7:40 AM
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I'm right there with you Melissa, but unlike you, I didn't sign up for IMFL or any for that matter. I'm just getting fat! I think part of it is depression from not finishing the race and some of it is I'm very tired of the grind-particularly when all the hard work didn't pay off in my case. No motivation here at all.
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2008-12-09 7:46 AM
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Completely agree with Mike's comments above.  A couple adds.  As Mike states keep some running in there.  One of the super cool things about our bodies is that it modifies itself to handle what is thrown at it.  Our bones and muscles strengthen in the weak areas to ensure we don't injure ourselves.  The only thing about this is that it takes some time for our bodies to change.  You don't want to loose these changes your body has already accomplished.  Once you start training again you will want to ramp up your volume and your body won't be ready (strengthened areas aren't there any more) and it will result in an injury.  Now having said that, you only need to run a few times a week to keep this fitness.  Probably a couple short runs and a longish run.  Also, to answer your question of how long to take off.  Well as long as you need mentally, but I would say at least 4 weeks and probably 6 or even 8.  The main thing is to have some fun and try to maintain your fitness through over activities.
2008-12-09 8:02 AM
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Definitely take a break! I don’t have any of my athletes going full throttle on training more than 20 +/- weeks otherwise it is easy for them to get unmotivated, lose focus and finally burn out. After a heavy training period (i.e. 5-6 months) I schedule 2-4 of down weeks so the athlete can recover mentally and physically. The down time doesn’t include any structured training; I just suggest them to stay active by doing any other activities they enjoy and try to limit their s/b/r time. If they do want to do some of it is all easy, with zero structure (no goals, no zones, no HR, no nothing, just do it for fun).

After that we get back to training usually one the athlete start letting me know he/she is antsy and eager to train again. After a long racing season I do the same thing (2-4 week of down time) in which I do suggest staying away from s/b/r and just relax and enjoy. If possible they can stay active doing other activities such as yoga, weight lifting, skiing, hiking, other sports, etc. After that we begin the off-season training with light volume (not many hours a week) and focusing on particular things such as technique, focus on weaknesses, etc. Through this time the athlete can also vary his training with other activities none specific to tri training but which will help them keep their mind fresh (yoga, spinning, strength training, etc).

IMO unless the athlete has an early season race there is no point of having them do lots of training through the winter just to have them struggling motivation-wise by May-June right before the season is starting. Of course we do specific work on the off-season but we try to be efficient with the time available, IOW if we only train 6-8 hrs per week every session has a purpose that will fit our season goals.

If your main goal is IMFL 09 then there is NO reason to do any crazy training load right now, you are already struggling, imagine how your motivation will be 4 months from now if you don’t get a break? The Augusta 70.3 race is not until September (IIRC) so you don’t really need to get into structured training prob until March-April. Yes you have St Anthony but with 6-8 hrs a week of training you can get ready for that, the volume will be manageable and you can address your weaknesses through the winter (after taking a break) and combine training with fun activities…

 

2008-12-09 9:23 AM
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I did my first IM in July which is mid tri season with the hope of doing some races for fun afterwards. I just couldn't...the two tris I signed up for I didn't start. I felt crappy but kept trying to train and tri train. Finally just over 2 months post IM, I took time off...no running for 2 week ideally longer but only go back to running when I really really wanted to for multiple days in a row. I didn't run for 4 weeks, didn't swim for 3-4 months, the month I took off from running I rode 4x and did a cyclocross race.

It was weird to not train, but what was stranger to me is I didn't miss it. I think that showed how burnt out I was. It is hard to be on for so long. You have been working towards IMFL for more than a year.

It made me question why I do tris? I am an athlete but is that my only goal, desire to compete in? I  thought long and hard about what excites me and what other athletic things I want to try and I am trying to expand my ideas of what I want to do. Xterra tris, mountain bike racing, ride across the US, do RAAM as a relay, do 12 or 24 hour road bike race, list goes on and on.

I think it is important to look at the big picture, check your goals, desires, and make sure you are doing what you want not what you think others want you to do or what the normal progress is with triathletes...the idea longer is better.

I started cyclocross racing which is about as opposite as tri bike training which is steady state/time trialing. Cross is off road on windy dirt, getting off your bike jumping over barriers, riding in sand, snow, mud, which takes 110% focus or you fall. I found it exciting, thrilling, challenging but best of all mentally refreshing. I loved it and I didn't even really care how I did..just enjoyed the fun. It was the perfect diversion for me that kept me riding, excitied, challenged, and mentally thrilled.

Mike made suggestions on trying something different. My cross racing was that for me. I hope you find something like that for you. It doesn't have to be s/b/r related.

Having taken the break was great for me. I am back swimming, working with a new swim coach who gives me hope I can improve and I see some progress already. I changed my tri coach as well. Different view of things, and a change I think is good for me. I love my old coach and was with him for 4 years and miss him.

I lost some fitness for sure taking time off, but I know I'll get it back. Running I lost the most but I always do...and it always comes back.  I gained some weight taking time off and I need to work at getting that off as well.

I found my journey to my first IM was more mental/emotional than physical. Afterwards I was surprised how I felt. It took quite a bit of time to process it all and come to the place of accpetance of how I did and having it be part of my history and story and be less disappointed with how I did. The cool thing I learn a lot about me while participating in sport and it is a great growth vechicle. 

Other goals helped me with something to look forward to in maybe May-July time frame. I'd also encourage you to take a mini break after your early season event if in that May-July time period so you are super fired up to do IMFL training.

Sounds like you are going through what lots of us go through but we each bring our own unique view to this.

2008-12-09 9:52 AM
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I sat down with my trainer this morning and told him what was going on with me. He was SO supportive. He agreed with EVERYTHING you guys are saying. I need a break. What he was so happy to see is that I am not negative about my DNF. Disappointed..yes. Negative..no. I think you learn from each experience: good or bad. I learned a lot and it definitely wasn't the outcome I had hoped for but the great news is: Ive got an entry to 2009...and I have an opportunity to kick some serious asphalt and be totally healthy, motivated and ready on Nov. 7th, 2009.

You guys are wonderful!! Each and every one of you gave me some great advice. Thank you. The final verdict: I will start training with my trainer again on February 1. From now until then, I am to do some unstructured workouts..just for fun..just like you guys suggested. I am a cycling junkie: I love it..so I plan to spend some time just riding for fun!! I also enjoy the 1/2 marathon distance so I plan on running the Miami 1/2 Marathon at the end of January. I think I can continue my level of fitness right now to enjoy that race and make it fun!!

Again....thank you all so much..and please..if you have any other suggestions...send them my way!!


2008-12-09 7:02 PM
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Another thought I had- what about group workouts?  A lot of running clubs (at least in my area) will have at least one group run a week where people of different speeds meet up and hang out before and after the run.  Maybe you run with someone else, maybe you just run by yourself for 30 minutes and they run a bit longer.  It may give you something to look forward to in your week and if you have and/or make friends from it, it will give you extra motivation to get out there, even if you just do what you want there, which will keep you accountable to at least staying in some kind of shape, so you have something to work off of several months from now.  Or maybe do a short ride with a friend that is just getting into cycling. 

I've never been much for the social aspect of training, except for masters swimming, but right now, I'm finding myself much more motivated when I'm doing a workout with at least one other person.  That way, it's also social time as well

2008-12-10 4:57 PM
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oceanannie - 2008-12-09 5:02 PM

Another thought I had- what about group workouts?  A lot of running clubs (at least in my area) will have at least one group run a week where people of different speeds meet up and hang out before and after the run.  Maybe you run with someone else, maybe you just run by yourself for 30 minutes and they run a bit longer.  It may give you something to look forward to in your week and if you have and/or make friends from it, it will give you extra motivation to get out there, even if you just do what you want there, which will keep you accountable to at least staying in some kind of shape, so you have something to work off of several months from now.  Or maybe do a short ride with a friend that is just getting into cycling. 

I've never been much for the social aspect of training, except for masters swimming, but right now, I'm finding myself much more motivated when I'm doing a workout with at least one other person.  That way, it's also social time as well



Couldn't agree more. After my 1st IM which was in late June I basically took a full month off of anything and then started running socially. It was amazing. During IM training you have to be so focused, so time/goal oriented to make sure you're getting what you need out of workouts that I had lost a lot of the joy of running and biking because I could.

Between July 1-Dec 31 I did little more than running 2-3x per week, a spin class a few times a month. I literally went to the pool less than 15 times in 6 months and almost all of those times were on vacation in Hawaii at the beautiful outdoor facility.

I started training again in January for IM #2 and came back stronger and became faster. I credit my mental and emotional break for it

Do what you love, stay active in some way and enjoy being the fit, fabulous person you are.
2008-12-10 5:22 PM
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I won't say what's right, but I will say what I did...

I think we were on the same schedule more or less.  I did my first IM in Nov.

I took a week off because I was tired and sore.

I took a second week off because I liked how it felt to take the first week off!

I took a third and fourth week off to travel abroad...

But during that fourth week, my mind started drifting to workouts, planning my race season for 09, the race wheels I just bought that need a test ride....

I have only JUST started working out again this week - exactly one month after the race.  I'm starting off easy, just to get back in the swing of things...  Feeling pretty good about it so far.

I also plan to just s/b/r for the fun of it- not care about HR zones or hitting some specific workout goal.  For example, I plan to just ride my usual route, but ignore HR, stand up if I feel like standing, sprint if I feel like sprinting, spin if I feel like spinning, etc....

Good luck!



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