Calories In / Calories Out Paradigm (Page 3)

Klowman: may I suggest the following menu and see how it goes:

breakfast: 1c. plain yogurt with mixed berries, 1/2c. of high fiber/flax ceral (or omlett with egg beaters or egg whites with spinach and whole wheat toast (dry))

snack: apple or pear and handful of almonds

lunch: huge salad with mixed greens, veg., 8oz. black beans with grilled fish or chicken

snack: handfull of almonds and piece of fruit.  Add a cliff Z-bar if you are workout after work 1 hour before you WO (a workout is +30 minutes HR in Z1 or above, weightlifting only does not count).

Dinner: huge bowl of green vegetables of any sort (CORN AND POTATOS ARE NOT VEGETABLES in our world), sweet potato (no butter) or 4oz. whole wheat pasta, fish or chicken

after dinner: carrot, air popped popcorn (no butter), cucumber slices, etc.

You can eat all the vegetables you want at any time of day (eat 12 pounds of asparagus if you want).  Stay with nutrient rich, high fiber foods.  Eat the above and you will lose weight.   No cheating, no short cuts.  It sucks, its hard and you will fall down.  Just try and do a little better each day.

Daremo- try the 10,000 calorie snack one day: which is a half-gallon of ice cream + 1 all butter pound loaf.

They don't sell Ben and Jerry's in 1/2 gallons around here, and I DO have standards!  If I'm going to eat crap, it better be high quality expensive crap ...... no "aerated" whipping process in my ice cream!!

(I say as I eat my cold cut sub from the cheap deli next door before eating my big old slice of apple pie).

Ham sliced from deli- only use 1-2 slices, so it's probably only about 1-1.5 oz of meat. But I do see what you are saying about the sodium. I don't eat any kind of fish or seafood. I've tried tuna but I can't get past the smell. This has been a smell/taste issue with me my whole life. I have been cooking turkey in the crockpot and using that for sandwiches. I guess I need to go back to that!

The beef in my soup is lean ground beef that I rinsed after browning. (93% lean). But it's mostly veggies- just maybe 1/4 lb of meat in the whole crockpot full of veggies and beans.

2 quarts = 1/2 gallon... just sayin'

People tweak out over the most random things.

I won't tell you my diet.  Half of you will have coniption fits, and as amusing as that is to me, I don't have the time today.

One thing I will say:

Look at the amount of calories you take in while training.  I guarantee the vast majority take in more than they really need to.  If you need gels for a 10 mile training run, you are running way too hard.

Didn't you just say caloric needs weren't dependent on/related to intensity?

bryancd - 2009-01-26 11:14 AM

Scout7 - 2009-01-26 12:50 PM

If you need gels for a 10 mile training run, you are running way too hard.

I agree with that. But as a triathlon board, it's more helpful to say any training which requires 1.5 hours or more would likely benefit from even just a modicom of fueling, so if that's a 10 mile run, I don't think one gel would be a calorie catastrophy.

Expanding on bryan's post

I think Scout's comment is an unhelpful general statement for this community (IMHO). 

First off, no one here has any clue how long it takes any individual to run 10 miles, or what the specific caloric needs are.  Bryan can run an easy 10 miles in what, 1:10?  10 mile training run for me takes 1:30-1:40, tending towards the latter.   Going without any calories is, in my experience, and in my opinion, bad advice.  Can I do it?  yes.  Is it better to go into some calorie deficit during the run?  I don't think so.  Has nothing to do with how hard I am running, has to do with how long I am out there and getting some calories in.  ETA usually not a gel, usually a gatorade or sports drink

Again, ths is my experience, I am sure Scout's is different.

I did.

But, there are two sides to this.

First, the source of the fuel.  You run harder, you're burning more glycogen than fat.  Burn too much glycogen, you bonk.  The gel would deal with that because you get a fresh shot of glycogen.

Two, if you look at it from a bigger view, and you can't complete a 10 mile run without fuel, then you're going into the run short on fuel, which means chances are you're training too hard and not eating properly the rest of the time.

Again, regardless of whether you run it in 1:10 or in 1:40, don't you burn the same amount of calories over 10 miles?

ChrisM - 2009-01-26 2:32 PM

bryancd - 2009-01-26 11:14 AM

Scout7 - 2009-01-26 12:50 PM

If you need gels for a 10 mile training run, you are running way too hard.

I agree with that. But as a triathlon board, it's more helpful to say any training which requires 1.5 hours or more would likely benefit from even just a modicom of fueling, so if that's a 10 mile run, I don't think one gel would be a calorie catastrophy.

Expanding on bryan's post

I think Scout's comment is an unhelpful general statement for this community (IMHO). 

First off, no one here has any clue how long it takes any individual to run 10 miles, or what the specific caloric needs are.  Bryan can run an easy 10 miles in what, 1:10?  10 mile training run for me takes 1:30-1:40, tending towards the latter.   Going without any calories is, in my experience, and in my opinion, bad advice.  Can I do it?  yes.  Is it better to go into some calorie deficit during the run?  I don't think so.  Has nothing to do with how hard I am running, has to do with how long I am out there and getting some calories in.  ETA usually not a gel, usually a gatorade or sports drink

And I aruge that people fuel way too much.  Time is not a factor.

nm

Scout7 - 2009-01-26 11:35 AM

ChrisM - 2009-01-26 2:32 PM

bryancd - 2009-01-26 11:14 AM

Scout7 - 2009-01-26 12:50 PM

If you need gels for a 10 mile training run, you are running way too hard.

I agree with that. But as a triathlon board, it's more helpful to say any training which requires 1.5 hours or more would likely benefit from even just a modicom of fueling, so if that's a 10 mile run, I don't think one gel would be a calorie catastrophy.

Expanding on bryan's post

I think Scout's comment is an unhelpful general statement for this community (IMHO). 

First off, no one here has any clue how long it takes any individual to run 10 miles, or what the specific caloric needs are.  Bryan can run an easy 10 miles in what, 1:10?  10 mile training run for me takes 1:30-1:40, tending towards the latter.   Going without any calories is, in my experience, and in my opinion, bad advice.  Can I do it?  yes.  Is it better to go into some calorie deficit during the run?  I don't think so.  Has nothing to do with how hard I am running, has to do with how long I am out there and getting some calories in.  ETA usually not a gel, usually a gatorade or sports drink

And I aruge that people fuel way too much.  Time is not a factor.

so a 100 calorie gel over 1:40 is fueling way too much?  That's the schedule we're talking about.  And again, it's not about "not being able to complete" a 10 mile run without a gel.

ETA I am confused.   Time is not a factor.  I go on 1:00 ride.  I go on a 4:00 ride.  Time is not a factor, therefore I should not change nutrition between the two?

Duration has nothing to do with it.

Calories burned are primarily based on distance and the runner's weight.  There are other factors (person's economy, weather, whatever), but they are not the main causes.

Intensity only plays a role in determining the source of the calories, not the amount.

How far is the 1:40 run?

If those rides are the same distance, then no, you shouldn't.

Speed is a factor becasue of wind resistance.  The force is proportional to 1/2 mV*2.  The fater you run, the more wind resistance you encounter and subsequently the more work you do.

This is post mostly tongue-in-cheek...it's true...but not that significant...even though the force is proportional to the square of the velocity.

Carry on.

~Mike