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2009-05-06 1:40 PM

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Subject: Cycle Ops vs. Real Road Training
Have a sprint Tri this weekend and have spent almost all of my training (16 Weeks Program) on a cycle Ops due to my schedule and weather of not being able to get out and ride on the road. Question is....How will this affect my performance on the road during race time? I know the course is a very flat and fast course with 0 hills. Is my average time on the trainer what I should expect during the race? I know it is too late but still curious to know what to expect.
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2009-05-06 1:46 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycle Ops vs. Real Road Training

Possibly, but probably not.  Who cares though?  Just give it what you've got.

I don't bother attempting to measure pace or distance on the trainer.  It's too easy to fudge the numbers.

2009-05-06 1:50 PM
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No, I am going to say that your trainer numbers will have no correlation to your race numbers
2009-05-06 1:54 PM
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So what are you saying? If I average 21 mph on the trainier for 15 miles should I expect to go alot slower on the road?
2009-05-06 1:56 PM
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I find the trainer harder than the road cause you can't coast. But there's no turns/hills/mad dogs on the trainer either which is why it's impossible to say. But for pure effort I'd guess you'll probably be a bit faster by a bit, assuming you can ride a bike normally on a road with some confidence.

2009-05-06 1:57 PM
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haymar2 - 2009-05-06 11:54 AM So what are you saying? If I average 21 mph on the trainier for 15 miles should I expect to go alot slower on the road?


No idea whether you'll go slower, but I doubt you'll go faster (no offense, as I am going off the assumption that you are new to tris, there's no info in your logs, and over 21 for a newbie in a sprint is very fast, if you do, then you are a good cyclist and congrats!)

ETA - trainer "MPHs" are commonly off, so I wouldn't put much stock in the averages you are getting there

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2009-05-06 1:58 PM
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haymar2 - 2009-05-06 2:54 PM So what are you saying? If I average 21 mph on the trainier for 15 miles should I expect to go alot slower on the road?

Could be higher, more likely lower, but again, you never know.  You don't have to experience wind while on the trainer, even if the course is flat.

2009-05-06 2:01 PM
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Definately a Newb.. Biking is definately my strong point with the run being my worst. Hoping to get an advantage on the bike before my slow run evens it out. We will see. Thanks for the replies!!
2009-05-06 2:01 PM
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In this case you may want to use your HR or RPE as the gauge.

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2009-05-06 2:08 PM
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haymar2 - 2009-05-06 12:01 PM Definately a Newb.. Biking is definately my strong point with the run being my worst. Hoping to get an advantage on the bike before my slow run evens it out. We will see. Thanks for the replies!!


good luck!!!! 
2009-05-06 2:12 PM
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I've found that I'm a lot slower on the road than I am on the trainer.  There isn't a direct number (like a 25% reduction) because it depends so much on the terrain and weather conditions.  Doing work on the trainer is certainly better than doing nothing, though.  Good luck!!


2009-05-06 2:14 PM
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I am MUCH slower on the trainer than when I ride outside.  I usually average about 3-5 mph faster outdoors with wind and hills than I do on the trainer.
2009-05-06 2:40 PM
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For the same wattage, I'm 3-4 mph slower on my Cycle Ops Fluid2 than out on the road. If you're on a wind or mag trainer, it may be completely reversed. Don't worry about your speed and just go by HR/RPE.
2009-05-06 2:50 PM
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I get a great workout on the my Cycleops, but when I ride outside it's like a whole new level of fun/fitness.  I just "feel" faster even though when I look at my computer I'm not. 

I think you'll do fine - especially since the course is flat with 0 hills.  Just pace yourself accordingly at the beginning and ramp up. 
2009-05-06 2:58 PM
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Trainer speed doesn't relate to road speed.  I do track my mileage on the trainer for maintenance scheduling on my bike but don't try to relate the numbers to my road speed.

Add to it the bike handling skills that are needed on the road, but not used/trained on the trainer and it's even more variable.  Do you ride on the hoods on the trainer or on the aerobars?  Makes no real difference on the trainer, but a huge difference on the road.  You'll be lacking on some of the balance skills such as drinking, eating, cornering, stopping, but you have some advantage in that you are used to putting power to the pedals for long intervals with no coasting or resting.

 

2009-05-06 3:17 PM
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Since I've been using the trainer, I've never tried to compare it to the road, I just pedal through whatever workout I'm doing, so this is more of a curiosity than anything else, butw hat about how much you set the resistance on the trainer?  I've followed the suggested (suggested in the materials that came with the trainer, that is) 2 to 2 and a half turns of the knob after the resistance mechanism touches my tire, and I know that I can't sustain the came gears/cadence that I can on the road.  Do people try to set the resistance on the trainer to approximate the road in the same gears?



2009-05-06 3:22 PM
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They dont really correlate.  Dont worry about it.  Its a spint: swim hard, bike hard and run hard.  Wave to the kids, have fun and drink a beer when you're done.
2009-05-06 3:51 PM
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Ershk - 2009-05-06 1:17 PM Since I've been using the trainer, I've never tried to compare it to the road, I just pedal through whatever workout I'm doing, so this is more of a curiosity than anything else, butw hat about how much you set the resistance on the trainer?  I've followed the suggested (suggested in the materials that came with the trainer, that is) 2 to 2 and a half turns of the knob after the resistance mechanism touches my tire, and I know that I can't sustain the came gears/cadence that I can on the road.  Do people try to set the resistance on the trainer to approximate the road in the same gears?

Nope, because resistance on the road depends on too many things.  I have trouble pushing my 30x25 on my climb to work.  But it's too easy on the flats.  I flip gears on the trainer until I get the power and cadence that I need for the assigned interval.

2009-05-06 7:16 PM
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Just go by perceived effort for the estimated time it'll take you to finish. The CycleOps trainer is totally legitimate for training - you can go pretty hard on it for longer intervals and beyond. I got stronger by only using the Cycleops on the weekdays, and I can keep up with competitive pure road cyclists.
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