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2005-05-13 8:59 AM

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Subject: Self-Sabotage?
I don't know how common this is, but I have been working on getting in shape for so long.........but sometimes I just break down and wreck myself. The other day I went and bought a big bag of Kettle Chips and a package of Oreos and devoured all of this within a day. I can't even begin to add up the number of calories and the grams of fat. Why would I do this? It also happened during a week in which I felt my motivation to train really waning. I've been working since January for a couple of July events and it just seems to be taking forever to 'get there', so I'm finding it hard to keep myself pumped...........and I guess because of the guilt, I ended up cramming my piehole with a bunch of crap................


2005-05-13 9:06 AM
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I'm right there with you. When I look back at my training logs I see that I have many strecthes where I'll take a week or 10 days and go into "self-sabotage mode".  It's always a scary time for me.  I've been at it a little more than a year, have lost 45 pounds, and when those demons resurface I feel like I could give it all up and go back to my old ways.

For me, the fear of returning to my old ways serves as great motivation to get back on track.  Last August I watched an olympic tri and kepth thinking, "I really want to be able to do that next year."  I've been working on it since then and maybe 75% of the time I'm good.  It's frustrating because I know that if I were good (about food and working out) more of the time I would have lost tons more weight and I'd be faster.  However, I also realize that being good 75% of the time is lots better than what I was doing before.  Maybe this coming year I'll be good 80 or 85% of the time.

I guess what I'm trying to say in my long-winded kind of way is that for those of us who are trying to break bad habits, we spent years having those habits.  Yes, relapses happen, but what will make you successful is picking yourself up each time and getting back into it.  You can do it!

2005-05-13 9:10 AM
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It is common. The psychological term for it (yes, I am a psychologist) is self handicapping. It stems from fear af failure/fear of success.
2005-05-13 9:24 AM
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There can also be nutritional reasons for this. Dave Scott, for example, found that when he completely cut fat from his diet (as "complete" as that can ever be done) he never felt full; he was always hungry. I can't explain all the science of it, but I can do a Google search, and found this link, which explains what I can't articulate. Striking the right dietary balance is definitely an individual process of trial and error. Good luck to you.
2005-05-13 9:28 AM
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Did you enjoy those chips? Did you enjoy those oreos? Yes? So whats wrong with that? Sticking with a difficult diet or training regimen rigidly is not fun. I find that if I don't blow off steam every now and then as you do then I cannot stick to it at all. My body wants to enjoy a big bag of chips every now and then, why not eat them? I see no reason to prevent joy in my life, and figure that if I'm living a mostly good, healthy, fit lifestyle, a little break from the regimen every now and then promotes my happiness and return to the same good healthy lifestyle. Besides, I'm going to be dead for a very, very long time, might as well enjoy those oreos while I'm able.

Don't beat yourself up over a little self-induced setback every now and then. It doesn't necessarily mean you're out to sabotage yourself, or that you're afraid of success. It might just mean that you value happiness over societal pressures and that you are able to listen to your body/mind. Or, it might just mean that you want a bag of chips.

Training is hard, dieting is hard. That is why neither are suggested as a full time gig. The best (most successful) diets and training programs all have breaks and variety in them. Heck, might even be a good idea to include one day a week or every other week as a "off day" for your diet. No guilt if its in the plan!
2005-05-13 9:38 AM
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"Besides, I'm going to be dead for a very, very long time, might as well enjoy those oreos while I'm able."

This was the best thing I've read in ages. Thanks for posting it (he said as he wiped the Oreo crumbs from his keyboard)


2005-05-13 9:48 AM
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I think it's pretty common...especially if you don't allow yourself to have a "cheat day" once a week or so. It's probably impossible to keep motivated all the time, to stay positive all the time...sometimes, life gets to you, and no matter how strong you are you revert back to what comforts you. I've been on a "lifestyle change" for nearly 2 years now, and have finally hit the 90lbs-lost milestone (30 more to go). Sometimes, when the scale doesn't move and I'm training my butt off, I just get fed up with being "good" and announce that I don't care, I'm eating what I want so HA. It lasts a few days, I feel ill, the training starts to suck....and I get back on track. This is for life, and if I can't find a strategy that I can stick with, I know I will fail...so, the occasional insanity day is just part of the overall pattern of eating healthy most of the time.

It's only self-sabotage, IMHO, if it's a consistant pattern...ie, you eat clean for breakfast, lunch and dinner and then scarf down 1/2 a bag of Oreos every night or every other night or some such where you really will sabotage all your hard work.

Going on a crazy calorie binge once in awhile not only won't hurt you, it will probably help you stay on track in the long term. The important thing is that you're not gonna do it every day, right? So, where's the harm. Don't get down on yourself for it...you're doing great with your training.
2005-05-13 9:59 AM
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It is a VERY good idea to let yourself go every once in a while if you are dieting. A cheat meal/day once a week is a good thing. Helps stoke the metabolism and keeps you losing weight...good weight.

No worries...jump back on the saddle, tighten up, and one day next week, do it again. Maybe get a smaller bag of each though
2005-05-13 1:30 PM
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Krakatoa - 2005-05-13 8:59 AM
I don't know how common this is, but I have been working on getting in shape for so long.........but sometimes I just break down and wreck myself.

That happens when you become overly strict with yourself. The key in life is BALANCE. You cannot deprive yourself from the goodies for too long...
I love ice cream, I buy sugar free chocolate fudge bars and allow myself one (or two) a day what the heck, 100 calories are not going to kill me. If I've been good training on a week, I allow myself cookies or a piece of cake.
Give yourself a break
2005-05-13 3:37 PM
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Amen to that! I never deny myself a Kit-Kat or some M & M's... if I want 'em, they're right here... After all, I'm running 5+ miles tonight, biking 25+ miles tomorrow, and swimming up a storm BOTH Saturday and Sunday...I deserve it.

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2005-05-13 4:36 PM
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Once or twice a month on a Saturday nite, my wife and like to visit the local Casinos. Well I like to sit at the bar and watch the sports that are on and drink 1 or 2 Coronas (with lime-Vitamin C) I mean 3 or 4 coronas, uh....5 or 6. That's it. Next day I see my weight is 3 lbs more .

Wife also bakes me some Salmon. So good I eat seconds and well, I've got to take thirds to clean up so no left overs. At least it wasn't fried.

Edited by BellinghamSpence 2005-05-13 4:36 PM


2005-05-13 5:28 PM
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Spence, you folks up Chuckanut Way and your Coronas and salmon!! Hahaha, my father-in-law serves the same meal and beverages when we go visit him (but he's down in the southSound area). Like your DeSoto - that's what I have, and just waiting to try it out. Mainly, I want to be able to FIT into the damn thing.
2005-05-13 8:38 PM
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Schwingding - 2005-05-13 8:28 AM

Did you enjoy those chips? Did you enjoy those oreos? Yes? So whats wrong with that? Sticking with a difficult diet or training regimen rigidly is not fun. I find that if I don't blow off steam every now and then as you do then I cannot stick to it at all. My body wants to enjoy a big bag of chips every now and then, why not eat them? I see no reason to prevent joy in my life, and figure that if I'm living a mostly good, healthy, fit lifestyle, a little break from the regimen every now and then promotes my happiness and return to the same good healthy lifestyle. Besides, I'm going to be dead for a very, very long time, might as well enjoy those oreos while I'm able.

Don't beat yourself up over a little self-induced setback every now and then. It doesn't necessarily mean you're out to sabotage yourself, or that you're afraid of success. It might just mean that you value happiness over societal pressures and that you are able to listen to your body/mind. Or, it might just mean that you want a bag of chips.

Training is hard, dieting is hard. That is why neither are suggested as a full time gig. The best (most successful) diets and training programs all have breaks and variety in them. Heck, might even be a good idea to include one day a week or every other week as a "off day" for your diet. No guilt if its in the plan!


Well said. I have been pretty slack as of late too mostly because school was ending and work sort of took over my life for 10 days. The important thing is that you get back to training if you get de-railed for a week or so IMHO. After all, I am not a professional athlete, nor even a competitive one. What I do now is so much more and better than what I used to do that I need to remember that even a few days off here and there is not that bad.

I think Schwingding put it well. Just recognize it for what it is and move on. Training is supposed to be fun as well as racing and sometimes the small breaks or rewards are what make life worth living.
2005-05-13 9:09 PM
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Think of it like dribbling a drink on your shirt....it happens. But just because you spilled a little, do not dump the whole drink (the whole program). Goofy. But it helps me keep things in perspective.
2005-05-13 10:07 PM
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I try my best to build junk food into my nutrition plan. One day a week when I can stick to it, more when I can't! I try to make that day the day prior to my off-day for training so I'm not training on crappy low-octane fuel. When I need to stick with it, I make sure I have a ready supply of good food available. I have real trouble when I have no good food around and I let myself get hungry. Things I have at home, in the office, in my flightsuit pockets, gymbag, car, etc:

Plain almonds, Zone Perfect Bars, fresh fruit, GenSoy Soy Crisps (you can eat a whole freakin' bag and you get 25 gm of soy protein, 42g carbs, 7g fat, 7g fiber and they're VERY tasty!! The cheddar ones taste like Cheetos!!), Myoplex Shakes, whole wheat tortillas, low-fat cheeses, low fat lunch meat, whole wheat crackers or flat bread, hummus (many flavors!) and whatever else looks good at the market. The point is if you have it in front of you you have at least a chance of eating something good. For example, a lot of times when I'm craving chips, I'll eat some wheat crackers (freaky, but I like to lick them and dip them in sea salt!) and that kills the craving. As for the Oreos...I buy an organic Oreo knock-off and I bring two to work in a plastic bag. I eat 'em sloooowwww. Somehow I've had the same bag for over a month and they're only half gone.

Bottom line: don't feel bad. You're by no means alone. We all need to let go a little even when it's counter to our nature. I mean hell, look what we do to our bodies for fun! You're entitled to cut loose with th chow here and there. Just set yourself up for success by being prepared, just like training.

2005-05-13 10:19 PM
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Hey Bill. You know soy has a form of estrogen in it, right?

Better go light on those "tasty" chips or your army ranger buddies won't want anything to do with you! :D (or you might change your avatar to a cute little puppy like mine )


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