Is President Carter right? (Page 2)

Jackemy - 2009-09-16 10:04 AM

Let's be truthful; It did happen during President Bush's term. The only difference is that it was every single Democrat and not just Joe Wilson and it wasn't just the President pitching his policy but it was the State of the Union.

And no, the Democrats were not reprimanded by the GOP majority.

Here's the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0xO-ZQSoP8&NR=1

JBrashear - 2009-09-16 6:27 AM



Let's be realistic; if this had happened during Dubya's terms the GOP would be doing precisely what the Dems are doing now. That doesn't make it right or wrong, but both sides would be squeezing every last little drop out of it if it happened to a president from their party.

Is Carter right? For some people, sure. I don't think anyone can adequately quantify how big a percentage that is though.

scoobysdad - 2009-09-16 11:00 AM
On separate occasions, Harry Reid called Bush a "liar", a "loser" and referred to his mother, Barbara Bush as a "b*tch". Where was the outrage then? If the Democrats want to point the finger they should begin by pointing it at themselves.

JustTriDave - 2009-09-16 9:44 AM

And the republicans routinely booed Clinton during his State of the Union speeches...

This is much more like Rep Stark calling Bush a liar in a speech.. And the Republicans did try and censure Stark, but couldn't get the measure passed. Stark then apologized on the floor of the House for his comments.

JorgeM - 2009-09-16 6:58 AM It is obvious racism; Wilson should have just called him a jacka**, it seems that would be ok per the Decorum in the House approved guidelines.

PS. If anyone disagrees with my opinion is obviously basing such on the fact I am Mexican and not because people have different points of views and disagreements happen all the time...

Jackemy - 2009-09-16 11:15 AM

When?

No it is different than Rep Stark as it was his house floor speech and not the same situation in 2005 state of the union or with Rep Wilson as the President was addressing the congress and certain courtesy should be extended even when the President stretches the truth.

Rep Stark can't help himself because is just a moron and had an idiot for a speech writer. Rep Wilson and the 2005 Dems behavior was very inappropriate displays of decorum.

AcesFull - 2009-09-16 9:08 AM

Clinton, Gore and Kerry got almost as much support from black voters as did Obama.  Don't think race had anything to do with that.

And I don't think race had anything to do with Wilson's outburst.  It was what it was, but it was not racial.

PennState - 2009-09-16 9:23 AM

Interesting observation here...

The vast majority of the comments are generally negative in regards to Carter's statement (and for that fact Wilson's behavior)

But the current poll has 21% of responders agreeing with the concept that Obama's detractors have their roots in racism (the OP's poll question)

It must be easier to anonymously agree (ie; just vote in the poll) with this statement than to put your screen name behind that very thing and voice how you feel as though Obama's critics have their roots in racism?

Thoughts?

crusevegas - 2009-09-16 10:36 AM

I heard this on tv once and I don't know if it was a joke or serious, but

How do you know you are winning an argument with a liberal? ,,,,, When they call you a racist.

PennState - 2009-09-16 8:04 AM The pertinent quote from the above reference:

“I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he is African-American," Carter said.

Thankfully Pres. Carter isn't generalizing about white people...

JustTriDave - 2009-09-16 11:08 AM


•“Clinton’s proposal to expand Medicare to allow Americans as young as 55 to buy into the system drew shouts of “no” and some boos from Republicans during his speech.” [Chicago Tribune, 1/28/98]
•“Only once did they unmistakably and collectively show their disapproval — when Clinton spoke disparagingly of a GOP-sponsored constitutional amendment to balance the budget. Many Republicans hissed and some booed.” [Los Angeles Times, 2/5/97]
•“The upheaval wrought by the Republican election landslide was visible throughout the president’s State of the Union address — from the moment Speaker Newt Gingrich took the gavel to the striking silence that often greeted Clinton from the GOP. At one point, Republicans even booed. About 20 of them left as Clinton went on and on for an hour and 20 minutes.” [Associated Press, 1/24/95]

jmk-brooklyn - 2009-09-16 8:50 AM

Just to parse this article even further, I think you can take it a step further and say that the pertinent section is “intensely demonstrated animosity”.  I don’t have the impression that Carter’s saying that everyone who criticizes the President or disagrees with him is doing so because he’s black, only that there is a section of the population who seems outraged past the point of reason or logic. I can’t help but wonder whether, for a lot of these people, the outrage is based on their anger at seeing a person in the Oval Office whom they think is inherently incapable of holding such an office.    

 

If Carter’s saying that all criticism of the President is racially motivated, then that’s absurd and I disagree, but it’s not unreasonable to suggest that there’s a pretty large contingent of people in this country who can’t get their head around the idea of a black man holding the highest office in the US. 

jmk-brooklyn - 2009-09-16 9:50 AM

Just to parse this article even further, I think you can take it a step further and say that the pertinent section is “intensely demonstrated animosity”.  I don’t have the impression that Carter’s saying that everyone who criticizes the President or disagrees with him is doing so because he’s black, only that there is a section of the population who seems outraged past the point of reason or logic. I can’t help but wonder whether, for a lot of these people, the outrage is based on their anger at seeing a person in the Oval Office whom they think is inherently incapable of holding such an office.    

 

If Carter’s saying that all criticism of the President is racially motivated, then that’s absurd and I disagree, but it’s not unreasonable to suggest that there’s a pretty large contingent of people in this country who can’t get their head around the idea of a black man holding the highest office in the US. 

Marvarnett - 2009-09-16 8:45 AM I didn't hear about what Pres Carter said, but I did hear this morning that the Black Caucus said the outburst was rooted in racism.  My initial response was, "Are you kidding?!" 

People can choose to 'see' the race card anywhere they want.  Unfortunately, if someone challenges when a black says it's racist that person is called a racist.  It's stupid.  So NO, it wasn't racist, rooted in racism or anything close.

Was it poor form?  Sure.  But I'm ok with that.

To those that are saying the Dem's said all this stuff about Bush...sure they did.  The difference here is that they didn't yell it out during a presidential speech.