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 2009-09-18 10:30 AM |
Extreme Veteran  369   Maine |  Subject: Critique My Bike PositionI would like some input on my bike position. Here are a few photos "in action". I have other photos/angles if these aren't sufficient. Thanks for looking.eta: Need to resize my photos......hold on Edited by Mainer22 2009-09-18 10:34 AM (bike1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- bike1.jpg (88KB - 2 downloads) |
| 2009-09-18 10:43 AM in reply to: #2413671 |
Elite 3315  Miami | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position hurry up....  |
| 2009-09-18 10:48 AM in reply to: #2413671 |
Extreme Veteran 369 Maine | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position |
| 2009-09-18 10:50 AM in reply to: #2413671 |
Extreme Veteran 369 Maine | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position |
| 2009-09-18 11:03 AM in reply to: #2413671 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position Looks really solid to me. If anything, maybe raise the saddle a tick or even better, drop the bars as you have an inch of spacers. |
| 2009-09-18 11:23 AM in reply to: #2413671 |
Extreme Veteran 369 Maine | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position Thanks Rick, Also, I realize there is an adjustment curve for my body to get used to the new position... With that being said, the only "negative" from a position point of view was in my mid-trapezius, I'll describe it as uncomfortable to slightly annoying/distracting. Felt alot of pressure there, tense. I had to sit up every couple of miles and would then reset myself after a 1/2 mile or so. Would that be likely to occur because my upper body wasn't relaxed, as I was trying to adjust to the different feeling in terms of steering/handling, or something in my position is putting too much pressure there (like too much bodyweight resting on my elbows) ? Or do I just need to ride it more and it'll go away with time as I get more comfortable with it? |
| 2009-09-18 11:32 AM in reply to: #2413740 |
Master 1651 Breckenridge, CO | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position Daremo - 2009-09-18 10:03 AM Looks really solid to me. If anything, maybe raise the saddle a tick or even better, drop the bars as you have an inch of spacers. Exactly what I was thinking, word for word. |
| 2009-09-18 11:40 AM in reply to: #2413786 |
Master 1651 Breckenridge, CO | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position Mainer22 - 2009-09-18 10:23 AM With that being said, the only "negative" from a position point of view was in my mid-trapezius, I'll describe it as uncomfortable to slightly annoying/distracting. Without drawning accurate angles, it looks like your shoulder angle is a little under 90 degrees. It still looks like it's within an acceptable range but having a shallow angle there puts extra stress on your shoulders and so the symptom would be similar to what you describe. I'd probably experiment with moving my seat back and up inside a 5 mm window with the lower left corner of the window being the current seat position. If that doesn't resolve your problem, I'd probably extend that window to 1 cm. Once you find the perfect setting you could experiment with rotating your entire position down and forward by removing spacers and moving your seat accordingly to maintain the angles you honed in on in the step above. Edited by breckview 2009-09-18 11:45 AM |
| 2009-09-18 12:16 PM in reply to: #2413740 |
Expert 1296 | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position Daremo - 2009-09-18 12:03 PM Looks really solid to me. If anything, maybe raise the saddle a tick or even better, drop the bars as you have an inch of spacers. I agree here but why the death grip on the bars? How does the position feel for you? Dear god please un-tuck your shirt! LOL |
| 2009-09-18 12:29 PM in reply to: #2413820 |
Extreme Veteran 1996 Halifax, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position breckview - 2009-09-18 1:40 PM I'd probably experiment with moving my seat back and up inside a 5 mm window with the lower left corner of the window being the current seat position. If that doesn't resolve your problem, I'd probably extend that window to 1 cm. Once you find the perfect setting you could experiment with rotating your entire position down and forward by removing spacers and moving your seat accordingly to maintain the angles you honed in on in the step above. +1 and... http://www.livestrong.com/video/2797-do-upper-back-stretches/ |
| 2009-09-18 1:22 PM in reply to: #2413671 |
| Veteran 480 | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position I can't advise on position, but is this kind of thing helpful? ...oops, nothing here. Trying to post a picture. ...nevermind, it didn't convert right anyway.  Edited by abier 2009-09-18 1:36 PM (Position.JPG) (Position.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Position.JPG (69KB - 1 downloads) Position.JPG (69KB - 1 downloads) |
| 2009-09-18 2:22 PM in reply to: #2413900 |
Extreme Veteran 369 Maine | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position gadzinm - 2009-09-18 1:16 PM Daremo - 2009-09-18 12:03 PM Looks really solid to me. If anything, maybe raise the saddle a tick or even better, drop the bars as you have an inch of spacers. I agree here but why the death grip on the bars? How does the position feel for you? Dear god please un-tuck your shirt! LOL (1) umm...I was holding the bars. Not sure I would call it a death grip, but it was certainly more pressure than if I were holding an egg (2) see post above, other than mid-trapezius area feeling tight/tense, everything else felt OK. It's a brand new position for me so I'm trying to adjust to it. (3) I was trying to setup the "correct" action pic for critique and thought that would help with identifying the hip angle. Plus I didn't think everyone would want to see me in my standard pink speedo. |
| 2009-09-18 2:25 PM in reply to: #2413820 |
Extreme Veteran 369 Maine | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position breckview - 2009-09-18 12:40 PM Mainer22 - 2009-09-18 10:23 AM With that being said, the only "negative" from a position point of view was in my mid-trapezius, I'll describe it as uncomfortable to slightly annoying/distracting. Without drawning accurate angles, it looks like your shoulder angle is a little under 90 degrees. It still looks like it's within an acceptable range but having a shallow angle there puts extra stress on your shoulders and so the symptom would be similar to what you describe. I'd probably experiment with moving my seat back and up inside a 5 mm window with the lower left corner of the window being the current seat position. If that doesn't resolve your problem, I'd probably extend that window to 1 cm. Once you find the perfect setting you could experiment with rotating your entire position down and forward by removing spacers and moving your seat accordingly to maintain the angles you honed in on in the step above.Ok Breck thanks for the input. The shoulder angle - I see what you wrote and I see further in the thread the actual angles drawn out....Are you saying that my shoulder should be directly above my elbow placement (straight line shoulder/elbow perpendicular to the ground) or that I should my shoulder should be pulled back a bit more towards the rear (by adjusting the seat back and up a tad) so I'd be more stretched out? Edited by Mainer22 2009-09-18 2:27 PM |
| 2009-09-18 2:28 PM in reply to: #2414168 |
Expert 1296 | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position Mainer22 - 2009-09-18 3:22 PM gadzinm - 2009-09-18 1:16 PM Daremo - 2009-09-18 12:03 PM Looks really solid to me. If anything, maybe raise the saddle a tick or even better, drop the bars as you have an inch of spacers. I agree here but why the death grip on the bars? How does the position feel for you? Dear god please un-tuck your shirt! LOL (1) umm...I was holding the bars. Not sure I would call it a death grip, but it was certainly more pressure than if I were holding an egg (2) see post above, other than mid-trapezius area feeling tight/tense, everything else felt OK. It's a brand new position for me so I'm trying to adjust to it. (3) I was trying to setup the "correct" action pic for critique and thought that would help with identifying the hip angle. Plus I didn't think everyone would want to see me in my standard pink speedo. Sorry but didn't you ask for the critique of the position. 1. The grip looked tight to me if it feels fine to you then go with it. Not point in being tense through your upper body when riding. Just my 2c. 2. Take it out for a few 20-30 mile rides and see how it feels. If it's new it's going to take some riding to adjust. 3. See my first comment....that starts with an apology! |
| 2009-09-18 2:34 PM in reply to: #2414044 |
Elite 3315 Miami | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position abier - 2009-09-18 1:22 PM I can't advise on position, but is this kind of thing helpful? ...oops, nothing here. Trying to post a picture. ...nevermind, it didn't convert right anyway. what program for the angles? AutoCad? |
| 2009-09-18 2:45 PM in reply to: #2414186 |
Extreme Veteran 369 Maine | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position gadzinm - 2009-09-18 3:28 PM Mainer22 - 2009-09-18 3:22 PM gadzinm - 2009-09-18 1:16 PM Daremo - 2009-09-18 12:03 PM Looks really solid to me. If anything, maybe raise the saddle a tick or even better, drop the bars as you have an inch of spacers. I agree here but why the death grip on the bars? How does the position feel for you? Dear god please un-tuck your shirt! LOL (1) umm...I was holding the bars. Not sure I would call it a death grip, but it was certainly more pressure than if I were holding an egg (2) see post above, other than mid-trapezius area feeling tight/tense, everything else felt OK. It's a brand new position for me so I'm trying to adjust to it. (3) I was trying to setup the "correct" action pic for critique and thought that would help with identifying the hip angle. Plus I didn't think everyone would want to see me in my standard pink speedo. Sorry but didn't you ask for the critique of the position. 1. The grip looked tight to me if it feels fine to you then go with it. Not point in being tense through your upper body when riding. Just my 2c. 2. Take it out for a few 20-30 mile rides and see how it feels. If it's new it's going to take some riding to adjust. 3. See my first comment....that starts with an apology! Yeah, it (the grip) wasn't anything noticable to me while I was riding - I could really feel it in my mid-traps. I'll have to see tomorrow what I'm doing. If so, it could have definately been adding to the tenseness. My next race is next Sat and if I'm not fully comfortable on this, I think I may just stick with the road bike I'm most familiar with. Thanks for the input! |
| 2009-09-18 2:52 PM in reply to: #2413671 |
Elite 3315 Miami | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position how long is the race? |
| 2009-09-18 2:53 PM in reply to: #2414227 |
Expert 1296 | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position Mainer22 - 2009-09-18 3:45 PM gadzinm - 2009-09-18 3:28 PM Mainer22 - 2009-09-18 3:22 PM gadzinm - 2009-09-18 1:16 PM Daremo - 2009-09-18 12:03 PM Looks really solid to me. If anything, maybe raise the saddle a tick or even better, drop the bars as you have an inch of spacers. I agree here but why the death grip on the bars? How does the position feel for you? Dear god please un-tuck your shirt! LOL (1) umm...I was holding the bars. Not sure I would call it a death grip, but it was certainly more pressure than if I were holding an egg (2) see post above, other than mid-trapezius area feeling tight/tense, everything else felt OK. It's a brand new position for me so I'm trying to adjust to it. (3) I was trying to setup the "correct" action pic for critique and thought that would help with identifying the hip angle. Plus I didn't think everyone would want to see me in my standard pink speedo. Sorry but didn't you ask for the critique of the position. 1. The grip looked tight to me if it feels fine to you then go with it. Not point in being tense through your upper body when riding. Just my 2c. 2. Take it out for a few 20-30 mile rides and see how it feels. If it's new it's going to take some riding to adjust. 3. See my first comment....that starts with an apology! Yeah, it (the grip) wasn't anything noticable to me while I was riding - I could really feel it in my mid-traps. I'll have to see tomorrow what I'm doing. If so, it could have definately been adding to the tenseness. My next race is next Sat and if I'm not fully comfortable on this, I think I may just stick with the road bike I'm most familiar with. Thanks for the input! You have a good amount of advice already to work with. Mix you riding. Some aero, some sitting up. Slowly add time aero and go from there. It take's a bit to get use too (riding areo on a new bike). I had a very agressive fit on my Fuji a few years ago and swithced to my P3 just before clearwater. I had to mix my riding but by the end of 2 weeks I was just fine. You're body will adapt. Edited by gadzinm 2009-09-18 2:54 PM |
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Extreme Veteran 369 Maine | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position |
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Extreme Veteran 369 Maine | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position |
| 2009-09-18 3:53 PM in reply to: #2414304 |
Elite 3315 Miami | Subject: RE: Critique My Bike Position abier - 2009-09-18 3:18 PM trix, Re: what program for the angles? AutoCad? It's drafting software called Graphite. It's easier to use than Autocad, but just as expensive. You can probably get really basic software like QuikCAD and do the same thing. Another poster in another thread did the same thing using AutoCAD. I was wanting to know if there are guidelines as to bike position angles. I would like to compare optimum road and tri positions. this article gives out some ideas, there is probably more reliable source and the idea about fitting is fine tuneing the angle that works for you meaning less air friction and more wattage: http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadings/techctr/bikefit.html http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/bikes/karma.shtml Edited by trix 2009-09-18 3:54 PM (test1.JPG) (test2.JPG) Attachments ---------------- test1.JPG (12KB - 1 downloads) test2.JPG (7KB - 1 downloads) |
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