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2009-11-17 9:01 PM

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Subject: Marathon Training Long Run Question
In about a week or so I'm going to start training for a marathon.  This will be my first marathon and I've been looking at and comparing different plans.  A lot of plans have a rest day prior to the long run but a few don't.  Right now I'm leaning towards a schedule that has a easy/light run on the day before the long run.   This particular schedule is a slight modification to one I found online and will fit well with my work/lift/etc schedule.  Are there any pros/cons to having a rest day prior to your long run?

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2009-11-17 9:08 PM
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Subject: RE: Marathon Training Long Run Question

Depends on your fitness and what is your definition of "easy/light".

Well, not resting is not allowing the body to heal any microtears in the muscles.  Just my double pennies.

2009-11-17 9:56 PM
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I am in the latter stages of training for my first marathon, and so what I say is most likely up for debate, given that...here's my take...

I'd say the most important thing is giving your leg muscles time to recover AFTER the long run.
I've found that it takes about 1.5 days for my legs to recover after a 20miler. After the short recovery, then I can run something between 7-12 miles without problems.  I suppose as my legs get more used to the long distances, my recovery time will be shorter.

For each "stage" that builds your long runs, the recovery time is needed after the "push" into new territory.  Rest, compression socks, food and adequate hydration.. Hal Higdon's plans suggest cross training ...such as light cycling, swimming the day after the long runs. I instead have been doing pure rest for the 20 milers. Maybe more advanced marathoners would have less rest, I would assume.

As to subsequent runs, I would agree that a light run prior to the "longest" run day is important. You should do a run on the prior day, that allows you to be fully recovered by the next day, when attempting your push run, IMHO.

The main thing is to listen to your body. Push yourself, but not over the edge. Part of the whole training strategy is of course to _not_ get injured, stay healthy and be able to reap the benefits of your training (duh). Easier said than done though...



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2009-11-17 10:46 PM
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Subject: RE: Marathon Training Long Run Question
I don't see anything wrong with doing a very easy 3-5 miles the day before a long run. I also have seen a benefit in doing an easy run the day after.
2009-11-18 1:08 AM
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Subject: RE: Marathon Training Long Run Question
I would actually argue that it could be beneficial to have a lighter run the day before your long run. A rest day rebuilds your body, but you should never have your toughest day right after a rest day... you need to allow your body to get back into the motion again to take full advantage of your recovery. If you run the day before a long run, schedule a good amount of time after the short, easy run for stretching and rehydration. You will need to have your body in as good shape as possible for that long run to really feel strong.
2009-11-18 6:10 AM
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Depends on the person.  How much running he/she has done, how hard he/she is running all the other training, current fitness level, etc.

I know many people who run 7 days a week, multiple times for most of those days.  It can be done, relatively easily.



2009-11-18 7:23 AM
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Subject: RE: Marathon Training Long Run Question
Another important thing to consider is, when you have a "light run" do you really go for a "light run" or is it at a hard pace and just a shorter distance?  I have never done, or trained for a marathon, but when I do train I have a hard time keeping "light days" light, I want to always be racing, and pushing as hard as I can.

I'm getting better, but still struggle with it.  Just thought I'd throw it out there to consider!  Good luck with the training!
2009-11-18 7:48 AM
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Subject: RE: Marathon Training Long Run Question
I've always used the coolrunning.com "beginner" plan for marathon training, with minor changes where I feel that I need them (I usually add miles).  It's got a rest day on friday, then a light day on Sat, and the long run on Sun.  That always worked well for me. 
2009-11-18 7:51 AM
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Find a plan that works with your level of fitness and schedule.  Then just stick with it.  If you find that it is not enough or too much after 6 or 7 weeks, then you can adjust the schedule then.

The first few weeks should seem "easy" to accomplish.
2009-11-18 8:39 AM
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Subject: RE: Marathon Training Long Run Question
Scout7 - 2009-11-18 7:10 AM

Depends on the person.  How much running he/she has done, how hard he/she is running all the other training, current fitness level, etc.



x2.  Listen to your body.  If it feels like it might be too hard/too much, then it probably is.  Cutting/reducing a light run will make almost no difference.
2009-11-18 2:35 PM
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Just don't do a short, but intense run the day before your long.  Interval work can take it out of ya as can a long run.  I have done long bike's before a long run for IM training, but that is a different beast. 

As for your question, either should work per the plan.  Schedule will probably have more of an impact than either option on your overall training and readiness, ie getting all or nearly all of your runs in.


2009-11-18 2:40 PM
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Baowolf - 2009-11-18 3:35 PM Just don't do a short, but intense run the day before your long.  Interval work can take it out of ya as can a long run. 


But if you do it within a 24 hour period your body hasn't had time to "catch up."  There is a time/place to do these sort of workouts.  And there are running programs that do this specifically.

Not that I'm recommending it or saying it is the best solution!  Just that there are camps that do this ........ (Pfitzinger-Douglas has 8 - 15k races on Saturday followed up with long runs on Sunday for example).
2009-11-18 2:51 PM
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Subject: RE: Marathon Training Long Run Question
Have to agree that it depends on your fitness level and your body.  I ran Boston last year without doing much running before I started my program 4 months out.  The plan I did had you run 4 times a week, which meant you only ran back to back days once a week.  With a weak fitness level at that point, relatively speaking, this was adequate and I needed those days off in between.  Even now that I have dramatically increased my fitness level and run 6 times a week, I still have my off day be the day before my long run.  But as everyone else had said, it definitely depends on your body.  Make sure you listen to your body because if you push too hard, you're very likely to get injured.

Whatever you decide, best of luck!
2009-11-18 3:00 PM
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Baowolf - 2009-11-18 3:35 PM Schedule will probably have more of an impact than either option on your overall training and readiness, ie getting all or nearly all of your runs in.

That's really what's driving my thinking on this.  Given where I'm at currently, I think being consistent and getting in all my workouts is the most important thing so I should do what I can to make sure my training and schedule are lined up.  I just wanted to make sure I wasn't over looking anything.

Thanks,
2009-11-18 4:05 PM
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I always liked a day off before the LSD.  I normally ran 3-5 easy miles the day after and then the next day between 8-10.  I like to get the legs fresh before the long run rather than take a break after.
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