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 2010-01-29 1:22 PM in reply to: #2642914 |
Champion  9600     Fountain Hills, AZ |  Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman...newbz - 2010-01-29 1:19 PM if you are able to drink and take in what you need, why are you finishing the races in need of an IV in the frist place? He doesn't "need" it, he's apparantly doing it for convenience! |
| 2010-01-29 1:29 PM in reply to: #2642921 |
Veteran 593 Mandeville | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... He doesn't "need" it, he's apparantly doing it for convenience! exactly now why am I doing it? I'm doing it b/c i pay $225 for a HIM or $575 for a full ironman and I deserve all of what the race has to offer, including medical supplies and if an IV can offer me a faster/quicker recovery and it doesn't harm anyone else, than why shouldn't i? (other than the risks of needles and such) there are MANY people who still believe it is more effective than hydrating orally, should they just throw their beliefs out of the window and ignore the studies that show it to be true? i don't have a stone cold beliefe either way, BUT i know IV's have worked on me since high school and if they're available, I will usually take advantage |
| 2010-01-29 1:35 PM in reply to: #2642568 |
Expert 1116 Thornton, CO | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... ultrahip_00 - 2010-01-29 10:18 AM LSUfan4444 - 2010-01-29 5:49 AM I always get an IV when offered on any HIM or more. The benefits can be great, and the negative side effects are almost non existant. you could probably keep on in your special needs bag, and have a setup on your bike to hold the IV bag  or just put in a morphine drip to 'kill the pain' So THAT's what those camelbak's are used for! |
| 2010-01-29 1:38 PM in reply to: #2642938 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... |
| 2010-01-29 1:41 PM in reply to: #2642873 |
Extreme Veteran 543 South Orange | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... LSUfan4444 - 2010-01-29 2:09 PM As a Critical Care Nurse, I think getting an IV because you want to is irresponsible. then you probably REALLY disagree with my wife taking IV's from the hospital and giving them to me when I'm hungover Actually - no that is okay with me - I use to steal from the hospital all the time when I worked there. I considered it fringe benefits for family and friends. |
| 2010-01-29 1:44 PM in reply to: #2642981 |
Veteran 593 Mandeville | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... we're all guilty in our own little ways, but as long as we're not hurting anyone all is forgiven in the eyes of the tri gods |
| 2010-01-29 2:26 PM in reply to: #2642556 |
Champion 7704 Williamston, Michigan | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... LSUfan4444 - 2010-01-29 12:15 PM Obviously there are possibilities in extreme situations, but I am talking about normal (for me) hydration intake during the race, normal (for me) endourolyte intake during the race, normal (for me) sweating and body temps during the race. I'm not talking about dumping 5 gallons of saline into my system in 20 minutes. I am talking about finishing a race in good health and electively getting an IV.
There is no scientific or medical reason that if you do not need IV hydration (ie you are significatly dehydrated (Have lost more than 5% of your body weight) or cannot keep oral fluids down) that it will benefit you in any way. Taking the fluids orally is actully far superior as it is how we are built to handle fluids. Unfortuantely there is a myth in endurance athletics that it will help you recover faster. Running 500cc of saline is in no way shape or form going to help anyone recover faster. You are way better off drinking your fluids |
| 2010-01-29 2:26 PM in reply to: #2642873 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... LSUfan4444 - 2010-01-29 1:09 PM As a Critical Care Nurse, I think getting an IV because you want to is irresponsible. then you probably REALLY disagree with my wife taking IV's from the hospital and giving them to me when I'm hungover Actually, I was thinking that you were taking the IV so you could rehydrate enough to properly party that same night after an IM. I actually held back earlier. |
| 2010-01-29 3:28 PM in reply to: #2642938 |
Alpharetta, Georgia Bronze member | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... LSUfan4444 - 2010-01-29 1:29 PM He doesn't "need" it, he's apparantly doing it for convenience! exactly now why am I doing it? I'm doing it b/c i pay $225 for a HIM or $575 for a full ironman and I deserve all of what the race has to offer, including medical supplies What would happen to races if every athlete took what they thought they "deserved" for their entry fee? I mean, I pay $75 for a sprint... shoud I be able to tally up $75 worth of goodie bag items, gels, powerbars, Gatorade and hey why not some medical supplies while I'm at it? I deserve it for the entry fee I paid, right? No. Those supplies are there for people who *need* them. It's not a free for all. Sorry, but this should go in the race etiquitte threads under the "bad etiquitte" section. |
| 2010-01-29 3:59 PM in reply to: #2641818 |
Champion 6046 New York, NY | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... I was the physician at a local iron distance race - so not branded, and small, but I have also done a few years at the boston marathon - depending on weather - heat exhaustion/hyperthermia vs hypothermia, dehydration, hyponatremia (especially the slower folks), blisters, more blisters, more blisters, abrasions, you will be hanging lots of IVs - possibly doing spot sodiums, orally hydrating, dressing wounds..... eta - I think getting an IV falsely thinking you will recover faster is absolutely retarded. Edited by TriToy 2010-01-29 4:04 PM |
| 2010-01-29 4:32 PM in reply to: #2643306 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... lisac957 - 2010-01-29 3:28 PM Sorry, but this should go in the race etiquitte threads under the "bad etiquitte" section. I agree, but who knew people actually did this?! It's crazy town, population LSUFan! Seriously dude. |
| 2010-01-29 4:40 PM in reply to: #2643306 |
Veteran 593 Mandeville | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... What would happen to races if every athlete took what they thought they "deserved" for their entry fee? I mean, I pay $75 for a sprint... shoud I be able to tally up $75 worth of goodie bag items, gels, powerbars, Gatorade and hey why not some medical supplies while I'm at it? I deserve it for the entry fee I paid, right? I'm not taking $575 worth of medical supplies, but for $575 I am entitled to an IV if I want one..same for a HIM No. Those supplies are there for people who *need* them. It's not a free for all. you show me one place race that says "medical tents are reserved for those who deem their services necessary" and I will stay out. but YOUR opinion that they are necessary doesn't make it fact its a freaking bag of saline..do you also get mad at people who take a couple extra gu's on the run? or someone who takes an powerbar "just in case"? they probably cost more what about someone who takes the water from a water stop to only splash it on their face, are they not taking that water from someone who "needs" it? |
| 2010-01-29 4:41 PM in reply to: #2643470 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... LSUfan4444 - 2010-01-29 4:40 PM seems like your biases are clouding your judgement of my actions a little bit I think it might be more that your actions are....CRAZY! LOL!!! Best thread of the week! |
| 2010-01-29 4:42 PM in reply to: #2643306 |
Veteran 593 Mandeville | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... while many not want to get an IV if they don't need one, I have no problem with that. i'm not judging their recovery tactics, unless it effects me. Edited by LSUfan4444 2010-01-29 4:47 PM |
| 2010-01-29 5:01 PM in reply to: #2643476 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... alright, lets leave what i think is right and wrong out of this for a min. so you say you are racing well. then how are you dehydrated enough after a race that a bottle of water wont fix it? do you just like being stuck with needles (its ok to say yes). but if you are getting what you say and need during the race, its completely a WASTE. ie if you are fueling properly, you dont need to pump it into you. and bryan, i just lost it, might be the first time i have seen a 45 (?) year old man say LOL. |
| 2010-01-29 5:05 PM in reply to: #2641818 |
| Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... You try to get your money's worth by an IV? Piker! I got an ambulance ride for my entry fee. Booyah! |
| 2010-01-29 5:20 PM in reply to: #2641818 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... Let me ask you this. For long course racing, does your wife give you a catheter so you don't have to stop and pee? Just wondering..... Edited by bryancd 2010-01-29 5:26 PM |
| 2010-01-29 5:21 PM in reply to: #2643522 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... newbz - 2010-01-29 5:01 PM and bryan, i just lost it, might be the first time i have seen a 45 (?) year old man say LOL. I'M FORTY FLIPPIN' ONE, JUNIOR MINT!!!!!! |
| 2010-01-29 5:23 PM in reply to: #2643530 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... ChrisM - 2010-01-29 7:05 PM You try to get your money's worth by an IV? Piker! I got an ambulance ride for my entry fee. Booyah! Yeah, but you were only on course for a short period of time - you really needed to do something to get value for your dollar  Shane |
| 2010-01-29 5:27 PM in reply to: #2643541 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... bryancd - 2010-01-29 4:21 PM newbz - 2010-01-29 5:01 PM and bryan, i just lost it, might be the first time i have seen a 45 (?) year old man say LOL. I'M FORTY FLIPPIN' ONE, JUNIOR MINT!!!!!! haha sorry, my bad. junior mint huh? |
| 2010-01-29 5:46 PM in reply to: #2643545 |
| Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... gsmacleod - 2010-01-29 3:23 PM ChrisM - 2010-01-29 7:05 PM You try to get your money's worth by an IV? Piker! I got an ambulance ride for my entry fee. Booyah! Yeah, but you were only on course for a short period of time - you really needed to do something to get value for your dollar Shane True, I had to go over and above...I did get to use their blankets, drink their sprite and use their puke buckets, for what that's worth. ETA -i have read reports, here or somewhere else, of an athlete who's SO is a nurse, and they bring IVs for the hotel room after |
| 2010-01-29 5:48 PM in reply to: #2641818 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... My biggest problem with this is it fly's in the face of HTFU!!!!! Edited by bryancd 2010-01-29 6:02 PM |
| 2010-01-29 5:50 PM in reply to: #2641818 |
Master 1610 Kirkland, WA | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... I am going to bring a backpack on my next HIM so i can 'get my money's worth' on the course. . I figure the legitimate cost for a HIM should be about $125 (based on a number I just made up), so I figure i will need to get 100 GU's off of the course to pay for it. What would happen if the OP just drank an IV bag?? wouldnt' that be like doubling the effective hydration? this thread is great |
| 2010-01-29 5:59 PM in reply to: #2643594 |
| Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... ultrahip_00 - 2010-01-29 3:50 PM I am going to bring a backpack on my next HIM so i can 'get my money's worth' on the course. . I figure the legitimate cost for a HIM should be about $125 (based on a number I just made up), so I figure i will need to get 100 GU's off of the course to pay for it. What would happen if the OP just drank an IV bag?? wouldnt' that be like doubling the effective hydration? this thread is great I've heard enemas are pretty efficient at delivering fluids as well |
| 2010-01-29 6:07 PM in reply to: #2643522 |
Veteran 593 Mandeville | Subject: RE: The medical tent in an Ironman... newbz - 2010-01-29 5:01 PM alright, lets leave what i think is right and wrong out of this for a min. so you say you are racing well. then how are you dehydrated enough after a race that a bottle of water wont fix it? do you just like being stuck with needles (its ok to say yes). but if you are getting what you say and need during the race, its completely a WASTE. ie if you are fueling properly, you dont need to pump it into you. and bryan, i just lost it, might be the first time i have seen a 45 (?) year old man say LOL. i know I don't NEED to pump it into me, I do it b/c I want to. thats the point. hydration is required after an ironman. since high school IV's have worked to rehydrate me after extreme sessions. b/c it has always worked, b/c it was once believed to be more beneficial then oral hydration, b/c there is no real evidence that shows it poses a risk for me, b/c it doesn't effect anyone else in the race in a negative way and b/c i always feel good enough to enjoy myself at the post race party I do it. again, I ask...why not? I'm not trying to convince anyone to do it, nor condemning anyone for not doing it, but it seems everyone is condemming but can't say why it is bad to do it...and sorry, the taking limited supplies reasoning doesn't fly I never said a bottle of water wouldn't fix anything, I never said an IV is better than orally hydrating. on the contrary, I actually provided reasoning behind why oral hydrating is better. I never said I elect for IV's b/c I feel they are a better form of hydration, I never said I believe they are a better form of hydration regardless of what you say, hydration after an ironman is not a waste, whether you get it by IV or oral You try to get your money's worth by an IV? no, but my entry fee gives me the right to use the services offered to me For long course racing, does your wife give you a catheter so you don't have to stop and pee? no, but from the way it looks here most people must ride with TP on their bike and run with it stuffed under their hat so they save the TP for the people who "really need it"...you know, serious explosions |
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