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 2010-05-13 4:27 PM |
Master  1929     Midlothian, VA |  Subject: Jobs for people that aren't people persons?Be serious or be funny, I don't care. I am starting to feel like or come to the conclusion that my attitude and personality are keeping me from getting back into the work force. I am actually a nice guy, but I tend to be technical, logical, analytical etc and invariably come across as rude when I am NOT. Drives me crazy. So many people say they appreciate honesty, but when you are dealing with someone face to face simply speaking in facts tends to tick people off. I have been trying to find work getting back into running a fun center's technical side, but it seems like everyone and his brother wants friendly/kiss up type people even if their job should mainly be behind the scenes or back of house. I even had a job opportunity go by the wayside because of my honesty. I found out the local casino needed dealers. I worked there years ago, for like 3 weeks. (I have also had training at 2 other casinos that I didn't end up working at. ) They asked if I could make a long term commitment. Great, thanks for putting me on the spot like that....Well, no, not so much. I have some irons in the fire so to speak, and if a technical manager position or partnership position presents itself that is what I really want. So guess who hasn't called me back? Even considering the fact that they really wouldn't have to put forth much effort at all to train me. From my point of view it seems like win/win even if I don't stick around. I am getting so frustrated seeing people being successful by being buttkissers or lying at or about work. Doesn't anyone appreciate work skills anymore? I was raised to be honest and I completely despise brown-nosers. I don't want to have to start lying to get somewhere, but I am beginning to wonder how I can avoid it. I also am trying to find these mythological creatures that seek out previously self-employed candidates. Supposedly there are employers out there that value the skills gained by working for one's self and the lessons learned, but my experience in the job hunt has shown otherwise. Having run my own company sure seems to be working against me, with potential employers being worried about long term goals and even coup attempts. How can I make a living again without putting on a false front? |
| 2010-05-13 4:45 PM in reply to: #2857505 |
Champion 34263  Chicago | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? Basically you're telling prospective employers that if a better offer comes around, you're gone. I don't care if it's a job, a date or even just a buddy -- nobody likes to hear that. Minimal training might be all they need to do, but that's still someone's time they'll commit to training YOU to work for THEM, and if you only stick around a couple weeks, well then they need to put time and effort into finding someone to replace you, rather than just replacing you now. No offense but if you told me you had `other irons in the fire,' I'd wouldn't hire you either. My advice would be to find a place that will take you on a temp basis, be a little less forthcoming about how much you would rather be doing something else, or, ideally, not work at all until the dream job comes around. |
| 2010-05-13 4:49 PM in reply to: #2857505 |
Master 1795 Boynton Beach, FL | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? IMHO, you do not need to lie at all. I can tell in an interview pretty easily if someone is full of BS or not. To the point about long term employement, of course they want someone who will be there for a while. It just makes business sense vs. retraining and interviewing all over again shortly down the road. Someone might lie and say it is long term career path, but dont think you have to. Just say that you are interested in this position and your prior experience would be a great asset. Companies no there are no contracts involved and each party can part ways at any time. They just want to allign themselves up for success with right candidate. |
 2010-05-13 5:46 PM in reply to: #2857505 |
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| 2010-05-13 6:14 PM in reply to: #2857505 |
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| 2010-05-14 7:43 AM in reply to: #2857505 |
| Champion 6786 Two seat rocket plane | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? |
| 2010-05-14 8:07 AM in reply to: #2858315 |
| Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? If I were you, I'd think self-employed. Under the bridge troll is a valuable, but much maligned career path, too. |
| 2010-05-14 8:15 AM in reply to: #2857505 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? faded_memories - 2010-05-13 4:27 PM Be serious or be funny, I don't care. I am starting to feel like or come to the conclusion that my attitude and personality are keeping me from getting back into the work force. I am actually a nice guy, but I tend to be technical, logical, analytical etc and invariably come across as rude when I am NOT. Sounds like me, bro. Drives me crazy. So many people say they appreciate honesty, but when you are dealing with someone face to face simply speaking in facts tends to tick people off. Speaking to the choir here. I have been trying to find work getting back into running a fun center's technical side, but it seems like everyone and his brother wants friendly/kiss up type people even if their job should mainly be behind the scenes or back of house. It's not WHAT you know, but WHO you know, AND, you can be honest and friendly but not a "kiss azz", too. I even had a job opportunity go by the wayside because of my honesty. I found out the local casino needed dealers. I worked there years ago, for like 3 weeks. (I have also had training at 2 other casinos that I didn't end up working at. ) They asked if I could make a long term commitment. Great, thanks for putting me on the spot like that....Well, no, not so much. I have some irons in the fire so to speak, and if a technical manager position or partnership position presents itself that is what I really want. So guess who hasn't called me back? Even considering the fact that they really wouldn't have to put forth much effort at all to train me. From my point of view it seems like win/win even if I don't stick around. I am getting so frustrated seeing people being successful by being buttkissers or lying at or about work. Doesn't anyone appreciate work skills anymore? I was raised to be honest and I completely despise brown-nosers. I don't want to have to start lying to get somewhere, but I am beginning to wonder how I can avoid it. I also am trying to find these mythological creatures that seek out previously self-employed candidates. Supposedly there are employers out there that value the skills gained by working for one's self and the lessons learned, but my experience in the job hunt has shown otherwise. Having run my own company sure seems to be working against me, with potential employers being worried about long term goals and even coup attempts. How can I make a living again without putting on a false front? You can't. However, you can rethink the way/retrain the way you present yourself. I have, it's called "biting your tongue" and "think before inserting foot". It takes time, but, it works.  I'm in IT, and I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE TECHNICAL SUPPORT and dealing with "customers"; however, it's taken a long time for me to approach "attitudes" and not take them as personal attacks because of the "customer's" frustration. Just listen to the issue, think whatever you want in your head, do the pleasantries, and you'll be better off. They call it "Knock Your Socks Off" customer service (I had a training about it years ago). Good luck. Edited by 1stTimeTri 2010-05-14 8:16 AM |
| 2010-05-14 9:48 AM in reply to: #2857505 |
| Champion 14571 the alamo city, Texas | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? Honestly, hiring a dealer at a casino probably has some background check/insurance costs associated with it and they probably don't want to invest the money in the onboarding process if you told them straight up you were bailing. You probably wouldn't see that same response as a stock person in a retail store. If you just need to make money while looking for a job in your field, look into throwing boxes for UPS or a data entry clerk or a temp agency.
But with a bad attitude...you are not going to land a technical manager or partner job...you are not going to be hired to lead people if you have an abrasive personality. I'm blunt and brutally honest in general, but you HAVE to find ways to work with others if you want to...well...work with others. |
| 2010-05-14 9:54 AM in reply to: #2858707 |
Alpharetta, Georgia Bronze member | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? meherczeg - 2010-05-14 9:48 AM If you just need to make money while looking for a job in your field, look into throwing boxes for UPS or a data entry clerk or a temp agency.
I immediately thought of data entry based on the title of the thread alone (before reading the OP). If you are not a people person, data entry is the perfect profession. Temp agency is a good choice, too, but only if you specify that you don't want front-end jobs since you are not a people person. |
| 2010-05-14 10:02 AM in reply to: #2857505 |
| Master 2083 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? If you want some quick cash, go find a temp agency that can get you assignments until you can land the right job. The job market isn't so great right now, but the added benefit is taht a company might actually see that you have some skills and hire you for a position in the process. They will also know that you are interviewing for positions (i.e. have other irons in the fire) and you should be allowed to go to interviews. I did this when I left my last job. I was tired of sales and wanted to get back into logistics. I stayed on assignments making money and got a job offer from one of my assignments and a job offer from an outside interview, both were aware of each other (I didn't have to lie) and I took the one that was right for me. Edited by jgaither 2010-05-14 10:07 AM |
| 2010-05-14 10:30 AM in reply to: #2858764 |
| Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? midnight shift anything |
| 2010-05-14 11:09 AM in reply to: #2857505 |
| Elite 3290 Oliver, BC, "Wine Capital of Canada" | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? How about a border guard? |
| 2010-05-14 11:12 AM in reply to: #2858978 |
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| 2010-05-14 11:25 AM in reply to: #2857505 |
| Champion 6786 Two seat rocket plane | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? Here's a partial list of possibilities DMV clerk City parking ticket office customer service for phone company Sheep herder Hermit sheep wacky old prospector Scooby-Doo villan (would also help with the fear of long-term commitment issue) castaway gravedigger wizard grave-filler-back-inner J.D. Salinger (there's an opening now) fugitive poacher lighthouse keeper
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| 2010-05-14 11:33 AM in reply to: #2859042 |
| Veteran 281 | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? ride_like_u_stole_it - 2010-05-14 11:25 AM Here's a partial list of possibilities DMV clerk City parking ticket office customer service for phone company Sheep herder Hermit sheep wacky old prospector Scooby-Doo villan (would also help with the fear of long-term commitment issue) castaway gravedigger wizard grave-filler-back-inner J.D. Salinger (there's an opening now) fugitive poacher lighthouse keeper
This made my day. |
| 2010-05-14 11:38 AM in reply to: #2857505 |
| On your right | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? Maybe you could go back to school to be a medical examiner? Or perhaps an assistant to one, and help with autopsies. Operating room work can be pretty decent too. Assuming you can work with the other people in there. But at least you don't have to deal with an awake customer. |
| 2010-05-14 11:42 AM in reply to: #2859042 |
| Master 2083 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? ride_like_u_stole_it - 2010-05-14 11:25 AM Scooby-Doo villan (would also help with the fear of long-term commitment issue) J.D. Salinger (there's an opening now)ROFL |
| 2010-05-14 11:44 AM in reply to: #2859063 |
| Champion 14571 the alamo city, Texas | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? jmholmes02 - 2010-05-14 12:33 PM ride_like_u_stole_it - 2010-05-14 11:25 AM Here's a partial list of possibilities DMV clerk City parking ticket office customer service for phone company Sheep herder Hermit sheep wacky old prospector Scooby-Doo villan (would also help with the fear of long-term commitment issue) castaway gravedigger wizard grave-filler-back-inner J.D. Salinger (there's an opening now) fugitive poacher lighthouse keeper
This made my day. POETRY FRIDAY!! YAY!! |
| 2010-05-14 1:22 PM in reply to: #2857505 |
| Master 1895 | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? |
| 2010-05-14 1:51 PM in reply to: #2858361 |
| Master 1929 Midlothian, VA | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? pga_mike - 2010-05-14 8:07 AM If I were you, I'd think self-employed. Under the bridge troll is a valuable, but much maligned career path, too. That's at least half my problem. Starting your own business is actually really expensive if you pay yourself and taxes. (A lot of people don't.) Payroll taxes was my biggest headache, and second in expenses only to the rent and my salary. I don't even want to think of the nightmare of trying to get licensed for a new business with my outstanding tax debts. O M G. And not a lot of significant bridges around here. A few have trolls already, and they seem to be worse off than I am at the moment. |
| 2010-05-14 6:43 PM in reply to: #2857505 |
| Veteran 286 Orange, CA | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? not sure what you meant by 'technical' but if that was computer technical vs. mechanical technical, look into software QA testing career...work pretty much by yourself, very detail oriented, methodical, need to be able to be frank about what the problem is. I would rank a good tester as high as a good developer. |
| 2010-05-14 8:36 PM in reply to: #2857505 |
| Veteran 184 Highland CA | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? From what I can tell you simply need to work on interview skills. |
| 2010-05-14 11:11 PM in reply to: #2860166 |
| Master 1929 Midlothian, VA | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? in2deep - 2010-05-14 8:36 PM From what I can tell you simply need to work on interview skills. Depends on the interview. I found one company that was looking for someone with my specific experience. I made it into 3 rounds of interviews, spanning months. My frustration is lack of good openings in my chosen field. Think of someone with experience as a head chef having to try to get a job flipping burgers to get by. Someone asks them "do you see yourself in this job for the long term?" How do you answer a question like that truthfully without losing the opportunity? |
| 2010-05-14 11:22 PM in reply to: #2860321 |
| Extreme Veteran 961 | Subject: RE: Jobs for people that aren't people persons? faded_memories - 2010-05-14 11:11 PM in2deep - 2010-05-14 8:36 PM From what I can tell you simply need to work on interview skills. Depends on the interview. I found one company that was looking for someone with my specific experience. I made it into 3 rounds of interviews, spanning months. My frustration is lack of good openings in my chosen field. Think of someone with experience as a head chef having to try to get a job flipping burgers to get by. Someone asks them "do you see yourself in this job for the long term?" How do you answer a question like that truthfully without losing the opportunity? I'd answer - "To be honest, I think I'm capable of delivering more than what this positions asks for. If you give the opportunity to show you, I'm going to do whatever it takes for you to see it will be in your best interest to have me in a more challenging position when one is available." |
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