Swim endurance -Swim to increase speed
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2010-07-14 3:47 PM |
Master 1440 | Subject: Swim endurance -Swim to increase speed I am a slow swimmer, the first time I swam a mile 15 months ago it took me an hour and thirty-eight minutes. I can swim one in about an hours time. I can swim for a long time I recently did 2130 yards in an hour and 10 minutes. I really want to be able to do an Oly and hopfully eventually an HIM. I read last week about increasing speed by going from long slow swims to shorter fast swims, working ladders etc... I have begun by concentrating on doing 50's. On monday I did 11x 50 and this morning I did 12x50 with 30 second breaks. I did my fastest ever 50 this morning at 1:06 and my time averaged about 1:20-1:25/ 50. I would like to build up to 1000 by doing 20x50 and then change it to ladder work say 50,100,200,300,200,100,50. Lately I have been doing 1000's in 33-34 minutes and I really need to reduce this. Am I on the right track? If not please direct me the right track. |
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2010-07-14 4:00 PM in reply to: #2981320 |
Veteran 185 Wilmington, NC | Subject: RE: Swim endurance -Swim to increase speed Not sure where you are swimming but see if your local pool has a masters swimming club...if its a true masters course there will be a coach on the deck and they will analyze your stroke and plan your workout for you...if you have a tri club that would be even better...their workouts usually incorporate speed and endurance work... |
2010-07-14 4:11 PM in reply to: #2981320 |
92 | Subject: RE: Swim endurance -Swim to increase speed respectfully, i might suggest yardage over a times/100. i see many swimmers knock out 20-30 min workouts (going fast to slow as their w/o progresses) and wonder where their improvement will come from going forward. imo, more yardage would be more beneficial than a fascination w/ speed... just my opinion... full disclosure, i am training just to sign up to a tri and not embarrass myself... take my advice w/ a block of salt. i am, however, familiar w/ goggles... |
2010-07-14 4:37 PM in reply to: #2981388 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Swim endurance -Swim to increase speed for most people out there, swimming harder till get you the endurance, just upping the yardage without swimming faster is not going to give you much in return. if the OP is already doing 2k in a workout, its time to start swimming faster, not longer. with that said, with times over 1min per 50, i think if you can find some help with your stroke, local swimmer, coach, etc, you would see some nice gains there. oftentimes you can get 1 on 1 lessons for a fairly cheap price. 1-3 of these would do you wonders. |
2010-07-14 4:44 PM in reply to: #2981472 |
92 | Subject: RE: Swim endurance -Swim to increase speed newbz - 2010-07-14 5:37 PM for most people out there, swimming harder till get you the endurance, just upping the yardage without swimming faster is not going to give you much in return. if the OP is already doing 2k in a workout, its time to start swimming faster, not longer. with that said, with times over 1min per 50, i think if you can find some help with your stroke, local swimmer, coach, etc, you would see some nice gains there. oftentimes you can get 1 on 1 lessons for a fairly cheap price. 1-3 of these would do you wonders. precisely my point, i felt the op was trying to improve... no argument otherwise w/ the masses... |
2010-07-14 4:49 PM in reply to: #2981472 |
Veteran 393 The Beautiful San Fernando Valley in Sunny L.A. | Subject: RE: Swim endurance -Swim to increase speed newbz - 2010-07-14 2:37 PM if the OP is already doing 2k in a workout, its time to start swimming faster, not longer. with that said, with times over 1min per 50, i think if you can find some help with your stroke, local swimmer, coach, etc, you would see some nice gains there. x2 |
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2010-07-14 5:27 PM in reply to: #2981490 |
Extreme Veteran 745 Colo Springs, CO | Subject: RE: Swim endurance -Swim to increase speed trailsnail - 2010-07-14 3:44 PM newbz - 2010-07-14 5:37 PM for most people out there, swimming harder till get you the endurance, just upping the yardage without swimming faster is not going to give you much in return. if the OP is already doing 2k in a workout, its time to start swimming faster, not longer. with that said, with times over 1min per 50, i think if you can find some help with your stroke, local swimmer, coach, etc, you would see some nice gains there. oftentimes you can get 1 on 1 lessons for a fairly cheap price. 1-3 of these would do you wonders. precisely my point, i felt the op was trying to improve... no argument otherwise w/ the masses... He is trying to improve, but with those times for his 50s, he really needs to work on his stroke. Doing more, for longer, will just ingrain his stroke problems. |
2010-07-14 5:47 PM in reply to: #2981320 |
Veteran 546 | Subject: RE: Swim endurance -Swim to increase speed In the same boat as Verga...started learning to swim last October and have been happy with progress. I swim about the same - 50m in about 1:10. Have swam in in 0:55 - when I was at the pool 4-5 times a week. Recently I have been spending more time on the bike and only a couple of swim classes. The classes are great in that we just focus on drills. Very little at the moment on endurance. Though I feel slower - I feel my stroke and technique are getting much better. Hopefully by the time I do my HIM in Oct..my confidence with endurance will be back and speed might have improved marginally. As the others have said - get into classes to ensure technique is good no that you can swim a reasonable distance. I'm also told - it takes a long time to crack swimming - so manage expectations. Swimming and cycling are my weakest legs - but I figure I need to get much better at cycling as it is the longest leg of a tri. I can make up for a weak swim with a resonable run pace.. gff |
2010-07-14 7:57 PM in reply to: #2981320 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Swim endurance -Swim to increase speed I agree with most of the others. Changing the structure of your swims (hard sets instead of long, slow, continuous) isn't the magic solution if you still need work on your technique. With the paces that you're describing, it sure sounds like you could benefit from some a couple lessons or some work with a coach. You will see more gains in a shorter time period by improving your form than you will doing sets. The other reason to concentrate on technique instead of swimming hard sets is that if you have something funky going on with your stroke, the hard work could cause you do develop a shoulder injury. Swimming longer distances is not the solution. |
2010-07-14 8:06 PM in reply to: #2981755 |
Member 119 | Subject: RE: Swim endurance -Swim to increase speed TriMyBest - 2010-07-14 7:57 PM I agree with most of the others. Changing the structure of your swims (hard sets instead of long, slow, continuous) isn't the magic solution if you still need work on your technique. With the paces that you're describing, it sure sounds like you could benefit from some a couple lessons or some work with a coach. You will see more gains in a shorter time period by improving your form than you will doing sets. The other reason to concentrate on technique instead of swimming hard sets is that if you have something funky going on with your stroke, the hard work could cause you do develop a shoulder injury. Swimming longer distances is not the solution. I agree. At your current 50 pace, it is obvious that technique is more important than speed work. I'm guessing you actually have a lot of strength if you are doing mile swims. It probably is a body position thing, that will click and suddenly you'll be 10-15 seconds quicker per 50. After that you need to develop the muscle memory to maintain this form. |
2010-07-14 8:10 PM in reply to: #2981320 |
Elite 4048 Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: Swim endurance -Swim to increase speed verga - 2010-07-14 1:47 PM I am a slow swimmer, the first time I swam a mile 15 months ago it took me an hour and thirty-eight minutes. I can swim one in about an hours time. I can swim for a long time I recently did 2130 yards in an hour and 10 minutes. I really want to be able to do an Oly and hopfully eventually an HIM. I read last week about increasing speed by going from long slow swims to shorter fast swims, working ladders etc... I have begun by concentrating on doing 50's. On monday I did 11x 50 and this morning I did 12x50 with 30 second breaks. I did my fastest ever 50 this morning at 1:06 and my time averaged about 1:20-1:25/ 50. I would like to build up to 1000 by doing 20x50 and then change it to ladder work say 50,100,200,300,200,100,50. Lately I have been doing 1000's in 33-34 minutes and I really need to reduce this. Am I on the right track? If not please direct me the right track. Ok, you are going hard and managing 1:20/50. That's a 2:40 100 time, which is kind of slow. Your endurance is ok, since you can swim 2k in a workout, so that tells me that you have some stroke flaws. Slow swimming is either lack of fitness or lack of technique. Find an instructor, and fix your stroke. Keep up the fitness swimming, and get the technique corrected. Incorrect technique will not only keep you from getting much faster, but you run a serious risk of injury. Swimming is very much technique based, and poor technique will destroy your shoulders and more. Take heart, once you fix the technique flaws, you will see those times drop like never before! John |
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