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2011-07-05 1:14 PM
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I wouldn't call this a "hilly" course, more like "rolling". There are a couple of larger hills, but both are relatively short and not especially steep. There really isn't any point where you're spinning frantically in your granny gear or out of the saddle grinding uphill for any extended period of time. Also, in most cases, you've got a downhill followed by an uphill, so you can use the momentum to help you up the first part of the hill.

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If you're used to riding hills in CT, I wouldn't worry about it at all. I did the Oly at Quassy earlier this month, and the NYC tri course has nothing whatsoever on those hills.





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I am in the 45-49 AG too.  This will be my wife and my 4th year doing the race, we look forward to it each year!  Last year 45-49 went off after the para-athletes wave which follows a 20 min break, so the bike course wasnt too bad until on the way back and then started catching some of the women's yellow waves.  Here is the link to the swim waves for this year http://www.nyctri.com/Assets/2011+Swim+Start+Times.pdf

I am just trying to figure out the tide chart.  I am guessing that Max Ebb is the fastest flow?   If that is the case the later the wave the faster the current it would seem.  Last year the earlier waves had the fastest current and it slowed as the morning went on but was still strong when we went in. (2nd transition 2nd wave)    This year is completely different though as they are doing a time trial start instead of mass wave starts.  20 athletes every 10 seconds.  The advantage of this is that it actually gets everyone in the water faster then the mass wave starts, the downside is that you have a constant flow of people so there isnt the separation of the waves if you are in the front of your wave; also if you are racing to place, you really cant tell how you are doing against your age group as they could have started ahead or behind you.

Regardless it is a race that I look forward to every year!  Riding on a closed road in NYC and running across 72nd street to the park with the crowds and the finish, make it an experience worth the logistics and one that we drive up from VA for every year!

Here is the info on the tide prediction if anyone can interpret:

George Washington Bridge (Hudson River), New York Current

 

7 August 2011

 

40.8500° N, 73.9500° W2011-08-07  01:24 EDT   0.00 knots  Slack, Flood Begins2011-08-07  03:24 EDT   1.35 knots  Max Flood2011-08-07  05:57 EDT   Sunrise2011-08-07  06:17 EDT  -0.00 knots  Slack, Ebb Begins2011-08-07  09:58 EDT  -2.03 knots  Max Ebb2011-08-07  13:28 EDT   0.00 knots  Slack, Flood Begins2011-08-07  15:15 EDT   Moonrise2011-08-07  15:53 EDT   1.87 knots  Max Flood2011-08-07  19:14 EDT  -0.00 knots  Slack, Ebb Begins2011-08-07  20:04 EDT   Sunset2011-08-07  22:47 EDT  -2.08 knots  Max Ebb

jrsuss - 2011-05-16 6:04 PM

This will be my third time doing the race and I am concerned that I will now be starting in a later age group (46). It is a lot of fun if you just relax and don't let the bike traffic get you down. It is crowded, but this is NY.

When the current is flowing a bag of chips can do the distince in 20 min. Here is a link to the tide charts. I wonder if the water will be to warm in August for wetsuits. It was close the first year I did it.

http://tbone.biol.sc.edu/tide/tideshow.cgi 

 

George Washington Bridge, Hudson River, New York

 

7 August 2011 - 14 August 2011

 

40.8500° N, 73.9500° W2011-08-07  04:00 EDT   3.73 feet  High Tide2011-08-07  05:57 EDT   Sunrise2011-08-07  10:15 EDT   0.52 feet  Low Tide2011-08-07  15:15 EDT   Moonrise2011-08-07  16:37 EDT   4.54 feet  High Tide2011-08-07  20:04 EDT   Sunset2011-08-07  23:16 EDT   0.62 feet  Low Tide2011-08-08  00:46 EDT   Moonset2011-08-08  05:06 EDT   3.59 feet  High Tide2011-08-08  05:58 EDT   Sunrise2011-08-08  11:22 EDT   0.55 feet  Low Tide
2011-07-08 10:45 AM
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i also saw that the wave starts are out...im 35-39M and am also wondering if anyone has a clear picture on what the tide charts mean.  Also, i'm in red transition....is that the good or the bad one?!?!
2011-07-09 4:07 PM
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Yeah, let's be clear about the current - great for women and maybe some of the first waves of men, but later waves get nowhere near the benefit. This year, I might not be able to beat the bag of Cheetos. Undecided
2011-07-09 11:34 PM
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Are you permitted to use a mp3 player during the run? I wouldn't think of using one on the bike but I do love running with Metallica blaring... I've read some events don't allow this.
2011-07-10 4:34 PM
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thechrismosier - 2011-07-09 4:07 PM Yeah, let's be clear about the current - great for women and maybe some of the first waves of men, but later waves get nowhere near the benefit. This year, I might not be able to beat the bag of Cheetos. Undecided

Is that accurate, I'm seeing the following:

 

2011-08-07  1:24 AM EDT   0.00 knots  Slack, Flood Begins
2011-08-07 3:24 AM EDT 1.35 knots Max Flood
2011-08-07 5:57 AM EDT Sunrise
2011-08-07 6:17 AM EDT -0.00 knots Slack, Ebb Begins
2011-08-07 9:58 AM EDT -2.03 knots Max Ebb

 From what I know about tides, and I could be off here, the later waves will be at a greater advantage than the earlier waves no? In the Hudson you want the ebb, or outgoing tide to take advantage of the current.

It looks like the tide will be coming in slightly when the elites splash at 5:50, then it will slack at 6:17, after which it will start to go out, maxing out at 9:58 am. It looks like the later waves will have better conditions to start. Or am I missing something here?



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That is what I thought too based on the tide charts. I wasn't sure that I was reading it correctly as in years past it has been a much stronger current for the earlier waves and slowing for the later ones.
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thechrismosier - 2011-07-09 4:07 PM Yeah, let's be clear about the current - great for women and maybe some of the first waves of men, but later waves get nowhere near the benefit. This year, I might not be able to beat the bag of Cheetos. Undecided

Is that accurate, I'm seeing the following:

 

2011-08-07  1:24 AM EDT   0.00 knots  Slack, Flood Begins
2011-08-07 3:24 AM EDT 1.35 knots Max Flood
2011-08-07 5:57 AM EDT Sunrise
2011-08-07 6:17 AM EDT -0.00 knots Slack, Ebb Begins
2011-08-07 9:58 AM EDT -2.03 knots Max Ebb

 From what I know about tides, and I could be off here, the later waves will be at a greater advantage than the earlier waves no? In the Hudson you want the ebb, or outgoing tide to take advantage of the current.

It looks like the tide will be coming in slightly when the elites splash at 5:50, then it will slack at 6:17, after which it will start to go out, maxing out at 9:58 am. It looks like the later waves will have better conditions to start. Or am I missing something here?

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brobinson - 2011-07-10 5:18 PM That is what I thought too based on the tide charts. I wasn't sure that I was reading it correctly as in years past it has been a much stronger current for the earlier waves and slowing for the later ones.
bsc77 - 2011-07-10 5:34 PM

 

I hadn't really been thinking about it since everyone that I know that's been in it says "the swim is a joke it's with the current". Then I had a slight moment of panic when I read the earlier post. I'm in the red transition, 30-34, which is late, it's the 32nd - 35th wave, which takes place AFTER the 20 minute break.

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Okay just to make sure that the way that I understand it jives with what I have seen over the past 3 years here are the tides from 2008, 2009 & 2010

7/20/2008
01:45 Ebb Begins
05:17 Max Ebb
08:54 Slack / Flood Begins

In 2008 the later waves did not get the same benefit as the earlier waves.  The pros had the fastest and it slowed throughout the morning.

7/26/2009
03:30 Ebb Begins
06:53 Max Ebb
10:28 Slack / Flood Begins

In 2009 most everyone had the benefit, the fastest currents being around 7:00am

7/18/2010
05:28 Ebb Begins
09:02 Max Ebb
12:38 Slack

In 2010 The fastest current was around 9:00am but everyone had the benefit.

Prediction for 8/7/2011
06:17 Ebb Begins
09:58 Max Ebb
13:28 Slack

So based on what I have seen the pros and earliest waves will have very little tidal current assist (the river does flow unless the tide is coming in) and the later waves around 10:00am (if there are any that late) will have the most tidal current benefit.  But it doesnt appear that anybody will have to swim against it as the later waves did in 2008.



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brobinson - 2011-07-10 5:18 PM That is what I thought too based on the tide charts. I wasn't sure that I was reading it correctly as in years past it has been a much stronger current for the earlier waves and slowing for the later ones.
bsc77 - 2011-07-10 5:34 PM

 

I hadn't really been thinking about it since everyone that I know that's been in it says "the swim is a joke it's with the current". Then I had a slight moment of panic when I read the earlier post. I'm in the red transition, 30-34, which is late, it's the 32nd - 35th wave, which takes place AFTER the 20 minute break.

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Yeah that all makes sense. I feel slightly better

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Thank goodness it looks like I'll have some current helping me along!!!  This is my first triathlon.  Decided to just go for it being out of shape and overweight.  I'll be needing all the help I can get...


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The later waves definitely have the advantage.

USAT rules state you cannot have any listening device. Ipod, radio anything with head phones or ear buds.

I know in past years NYC hasn't really giving any penaltys for this though, same with drafting.  But USAT says this year they are really cracking down on this.  I work as a lead timer for races and this past sunday USAT officials gave out 25 penaltys in a 404 athlete field.  This was just a small local race too. 

If you dont care about awards go for the ipod, but I wouldnt do it on the bike.  Just for safety, you want to be able to hear support vehicles and faster athletes screaming on your left ( if they're nice enough too)

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Thanks, I would NEVER use a listening device while riding, way too dangerous. I can't believe how many people are talking on cell phones while speeding in the park. NYC has a law that you can't have both earphones in at the same time.

 

I don't care about awards and not sure if I'll even need to listen while running, but I'd like to have the option.

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Thanks for info on what it is like in the later starts. I had to defer last year due to an injury but I do love the NY Experience. About what time did your heat go off last year?

Jim

 

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Jim,

I cant remember for sure, I want to say sometime around 7:30?  They sent off all of the yellow transition waves, then took a 20 minute break and then the para-athletes and then us.  I was in the first of two 45-49 men waves.

Since they are employing a time trial start (20 every 10 sec) it should go faster overall.  The wave starts they have to get everyone in the water and then go.   With the TT starts it is a constant flow of people going in.  They did it in DC for the 5150 and it moved fairly quickly.  

http://www.nyctri.com/Event_Information/2011_Swim_Start_Information.htm

It is a very cool race.  A bit of logistical headache and getting quite expensive and a pain to get into, but I look forward to it each year.

Healthy training!

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jrsuss - 2011-07-12 4:08 PM

Thanks for info on what it is like in the later starts. I had to defer last year due to an injury but I do love the NY Experience. About what time did your heat go off last year?

Jim

 

2011-07-21 8:03 AM
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this is my first tri! im super excited and extremely nervous. im doing this alone...so the details of where to be when etc are freaking me out abit. are other racers friendly?


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Havajava - 2011-07-21 9:03 AM this is my first tri! im super excited and extremely nervous. im doing this alone...so the details of where to be when etc are freaking me out abit. are other racers friendly?

Hey there java. It is my first tri in 3 years and I am terrified, too. Most racers at most tris are friendly I have found. What wave are you in and what transition? I am yellow and women 50-55 if you want a pal. I can pm you my cell phone to meet up the day before.

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Java-  If you havent already done so, there is a downloadable pdf athlete guide with the schedule on the official website.  They apparently also give tours of transition areas as well, which are recommended to make sure you know where you are going on race day.

And despite what others say about New Yorkers, I think you'll find an incredible amount of support out there....from volunteers to other athletes....remember to have fun and enjoy the moment.  good luck to you!

   

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Java - the race is friendly, the volunteers are great.  One word of advice, on the bike, unless you're passing someone, make sure to stay as far right as possible.  Some of the racers move pretty fast, especially on the downhills.  I saw some nasty wrecks last year because slower cyclists were riding in the middle and left of the road.  If you hear someone behind you holler "on your left", move right as quick as you can.

Other word of advice --- when you're 100yrds from the finish line, make sure to zip up your tri top and smile for the finish line picture  Laughing

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Hey Guys!  I hope everyone is getting pumped up for the Nautica NYC Triathlon!  

I wanted to let you know that the Empire Tri Club is offering a free NYC Tri clinic + "run the course" event this Thursday at 7pm.  Meet at the Eleanor Roosevelt Statue on 72nd St and Riverside Drive (where the transition area is)  Click here for more details!  http://empiretriclub.com/event/nautica-nyc-tri-run-the-course-race-tips/

I hope to see some of you there!  Feel free to invite your friends.  It is free and open to all levels!  

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We got the current figured out, but what about the water temp?  I found two sites that list the temp as well above 78F.  

Will this be the first non-westuit NYC tri?  



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I think the water is usually in that “illegal for awards, but legal for everyone else” range. It’s almost never wetsuit legal for pros.
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Does that mean for people like myself (who's goal is simply to complete the triathlon) I can wear a wetsuit regardless?  I ask because I'm currently considering purchasing one (after having rented once).  I'll probably buy it anyway, but was wondering as far as the actual race day...
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Blurr26 - 2011-07-27 9:42 PM Does that mean for people like myself (who's goal is simply to complete the triathlon) I can wear a wetsuit regardless?  I ask because I'm currently considering purchasing one (after having rented once).  I'll probably buy it anyway, but was wondering as far as the actual race day...

per USAT 78.1 to 83.9 you can wear a wetsuit but not allowed to be eligible for awards but anything 84+ degrees your not allowed to wear it, plus I dont think you would want to anyway .....plus that race you will fly because of the current.

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Short and sweet answer, Yes you can wear it.  

The chance of the hudson ever reaching 84+ degrees where we will be swimming is very very unlikely because it is a tidal current.

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