Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year
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2011-06-14 11:03 AM |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year Consistent training works folks. I know this isn't a huge revelation or groundbreaking news, but I'd like to illustrate the point with a comparison of a race I did this weekend to the same race I did last year. Last year I did the duathlon and this year the triathlon, so the bike and run were the exact same course. 18.6mi bike and a 5mi run. Slightly hotter and windier last year, but still: 2010 Bike: 53:55 (20.7mph) 2010 Run: 34:26 (6:53/mi) No secrets, no magic pills, no crazy volume. Just fairly consistent training over time with the guidance of a knowledgeable coach. This even included about 2 months off for injury recovery and 1 1/2 months off for mental recovery during the winter. (I will add that attention to detail on the bike has made a big difference.) |
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2011-06-14 11:25 AM in reply to: #3548381 |
Pro 4277 Parker, CO | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year Nice improvement Andrew! That is a huge chunk to take off for both the bike and run! Obviously you have been training hard and smart over the past year and it has paid off for you. Great job! |
2011-06-14 11:49 AM in reply to: #3548381 |
Master 2426 Central Indiana | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year The run improvement is impressive enough, but the speed bump on the bike is just sick. As in ballpark 50+% increase in ave watts. You mention attention to detail on bike. Did you also upgrade bike/wheels/helm? |
2011-06-14 11:52 AM in reply to: #3548512 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year Oldteen - 2011-06-14 11:49 AM The run improvement is impressive enough, but the speed bump on the bike is just sick. As in ballpark 50+% increase in ave watts. You mention attention to detail on bike. Did you also upgrade bike/wheels/helm? Bike, wheels and helmet are the same. Wheels, tubes, crank and position are different. Actually, I changed my sunglasses too... |
2011-06-14 11:57 AM in reply to: #3548516 |
Master 2327 North Alabama | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year AndrewMT - 2011-06-14 11:52 AM Oldteen - 2011-06-14 11:49 AM The run improvement is impressive enough, but the speed bump on the bike is just sick. As in ballpark 50+% increase in ave watts. You mention attention to detail on bike. Did you also upgrade bike/wheels/helm? Bike, wheels and helmet are the same. Wheels, tubes, crank and position are different. Actually, I changed my sunglasses too... Well you might as well said you strapped an engine to your back! Sunglasses make a HUGE difference Seriously, that's a massive improvement. Just goes to show, like you said, there's no over-the-counter or 3am-infomercial-wonder-pill that makes it all better. Fantasic job |
2011-06-14 12:09 PM in reply to: #3548529 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year LostSheep - 2011-06-14 11:57 AM AndrewMT - 2011-06-14 11:52 AM Oldteen - 2011-06-14 11:49 AM The run improvement is impressive enough, but the speed bump on the bike is just sick. As in ballpark 50+% increase in ave watts. You mention attention to detail on bike. Did you also upgrade bike/wheels/helm? Bike, wheels and helmet are the same. Wheels, tubes, crank and position are different. Actually, I changed my sunglasses too... Well you might as well said you strapped an engine to your back! Sunglasses make a HUGE difference Seriously, that's a massive improvement. Just goes to show, like you said, there's no over-the-counter or 3am-infomercial-wonder-pill that makes it all better. Fantasic job Other than to do a little blatant gloating, this was kind of my point. There are always a lot of threads about "how do I get faster", "what are the magic workouts", etc.. I just want to illustrate that big improvements can be made if you do the work. |
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2011-06-14 12:12 PM in reply to: #3548381 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year Great work, Andrew! |
2011-06-14 12:13 PM in reply to: #3548381 |
Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year Nice improvement. A similar example: I just did a race last weekend and also compared it to the same race last year (this is my third season). Olympic distance. Last year I tapered and took it pretty seriously. Time 2:19 and change. This year, no taper, took it easy on the swim, purposefully overcooked the bike (couldn't feel my legs for the first half of the run!). Time: 2:11 and change. It turns out that training really does work... Keep it up and good luck in your HIM! |
2011-06-14 1:46 PM in reply to: #3548381 |
NH | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year That's just sick improvement on the bike, not to mention super human speed this year. I'm hoping for some improvement over last year's races, but based on my common biking TT rides so far this year it won't begin to approach that kind of jump. Great job. |
2011-06-14 1:50 PM in reply to: #3548381 |
Master 2355 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year AndrewMT - 2011-06-14 11:03 AM Consistent training works folks. I know this isn't a huge revelation or groundbreaking news, but I'd like to illustrate the point with a comparison of a race I did this weekend to the same race I did last year. Last year I did the duathlon and this year the triathlon, so the bike and run were the exact same course. 18.6mi bike and a 5mi run. Slightly hotter and windier last year, but still: 2010 Bike: 53:55 (20.7mph) 2010 Run: 34:26 (6:53/mi) No secrets, no magic pills, no crazy volume. Just fairly consistent training over time with the guidance of a knowledgeable coach. This even included about 2 months off for injury recovery and 1 1/2 months off for mental recovery during the winter. (I will add that attention to detail on the bike has made a big difference.) I was going to say that I know you've done a lot of work on position for the bike. Now apply that same attention to detail into the swim and you'll be a stud. |
2011-06-14 2:29 PM in reply to: #3548810 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year smilford - 2011-06-14 1:50 PM AndrewMT - 2011-06-14 11:03 AM I was going to say that I know you've done a lot of work on position for the bike. Now apply that same attention to detail into the swim and you'll be a stud. Consistent training works folks. I know this isn't a huge revelation or groundbreaking news, but I'd like to illustrate the point with a comparison of a race I did this weekend to the same race I did last year. Last year I did the duathlon and this year the triathlon, so the bike and run were the exact same course. 18.6mi bike and a 5mi run. Slightly hotter and windier last year, but still: 2010 Bike: 53:55 (20.7mph) 2010 Run: 34:26 (6:53/mi) No secrets, no magic pills, no crazy volume. Just fairly consistent training over time with the guidance of a knowledgeable coach. This even included about 2 months off for injury recovery and 1 1/2 months off for mental recovery during the winter. (I will add that attention to detail on the bike has made a big difference.) Working on the swim. Getting some lessons lined up and upping my swim to 5x per week. Glad you weren't out there this weekend(or Brad P. for that matter)! 25-29 was brutal enough...
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2011-06-14 4:23 PM in reply to: #3548381 |
Master 1927 Guilford, CT | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year |
2011-06-14 4:39 PM in reply to: #3548381 |
Member 38 Honolulu | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year Wow... I gotta get me some sunglasses like that. |
2011-06-15 9:34 AM in reply to: #3548512 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year Oldteen - 2011-06-14 11:49 AM The run improvement is impressive enough, but the speed bump on the bike is just sick. As in ballpark 50+% increase in ave watts. You mention attention to detail on bike. Did you also upgrade bike/wheels/helm? I checked out my power file from last year and my average power was over 50W higher this year. Short race, but I was still surprised by how low my output was last year. Overall a 131% jump in power. FTP is about 30W higher this year. |
2011-06-15 9:44 AM in reply to: #3550191 |
over a barrier | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year AndrewMT - 2011-06-15 9:34 AM Oldteen - 2011-06-14 11:49 AM The run improvement is impressive enough, but the speed bump on the bike is just sick. As in ballpark 50+% increase in ave watts. You mention attention to detail on bike. Did you also upgrade bike/wheels/helm? I checked out my power file from last year and my average power was over 50W higher this year. Short race, but I was still surprised by how low my output was last year. Overall a 131% jump in power. FTP is about 30W higher this year. Nice work! 50 Watts puts you in a new ball park..... Don't discount the effect that first run has on your power though....I'm had some Du's that left me pretty flat on the bike. |
2011-06-15 9:49 AM in reply to: #3548381 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year Excellent work Andrew and thanks for posting. This is great motivation for me. |
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2011-06-15 9:53 AM in reply to: #3550218 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year running2far - 2011-06-15 9:44 AM AndrewMT - 2011-06-15 9:34 AM Nice work! 50 Watts puts you in a new ball park..... Don't discount the effect that first run has on your power though....I'm had some Du's that left me pretty flat on the bike. Oldteen - 2011-06-14 11:49 AM The run improvement is impressive enough, but the speed bump on the bike is just sick. As in ballpark 50+% increase in ave watts. You mention attention to detail on bike. Did you also upgrade bike/wheels/helm? I checked out my power file from last year and my average power was over 50W higher this year. Short race, but I was still surprised by how low my output was last year. Overall a 131% jump in power. FTP is about 30W higher this year. There's no doubt that the first run plays a role. For this race the run is only 2 miles, so it ends up being 12-13 minutes of working the legs versus 20 minutes in the water. There are a ton of factors that went into the difference; heat & wind were bad, I was dehydrated and I had run 2 hard miles. Increased fitness and bike position are the biggest factors, but there's definitely more to it. |
2011-06-15 1:09 PM in reply to: #3548381 |
Expert 1087 Portland | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year Great improvement Andrew! As an additional note, I do want to say that smart training pays off. Which a coach definitely helps with! Can we ask where your coaching came from, so they can get a bit of credit as well! |
2011-06-15 1:52 PM in reply to: #3548381 |
Veteran 143 Waterloo, Ontario | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year Totally agree about the "no magic workouts, just do it". I don't have a HRM or a power meter. I have a training plan (1st hit on google for "HIM Training Plan") with workouts, but I don't usually do the specific sets in them. I just do the mileage it dictates at a moderate to high pace. Results comparison from 2010 to 2011 (for a race that I didn't stop training for) Swim: 1:34/100m -> 1:30/100m (I was already a good swimmer, so no real improvement here) Bike: 29.8km/h -> 36.2km/h (same road bike frame, same very-spokey wheels, with probably-poorly-fitted aerobars in 2011) Run: 5:01/km -> 4:14/km Edited by AHare 2011-06-15 1:57 PM |
2011-06-15 3:18 PM in reply to: #3550745 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year menglo - 2011-06-15 1:09 PM As an additional note, I do want to say that smart training pays off. Which a coach definitely helps with! Can we ask where your coaching came from, so they can get a bit of credit as well! He definitely deserves some credit! I'm coached by Jorge Martinez, who has been an amazing part of the BT community for a while. Incredibly well educated and very effective in his approach. Not a whole lot of time is wasted, unless I choose to go out on my own. AHare - 2011-06-15 1:52 PM Totally agree about the "no magic workouts, just do it". I don't have a HRM or a power meter. I have a training plan (1st hit on google for "HIM Training Plan") with workouts, but I don't usually do the specific sets in them. I just do the mileage it dictates at a moderate to high pace. I don't think there are magic workouts and it all comes down to doing the work on a consistent basis. That being said, the quality and specificity of the work that you do is a vital part of maximizing your gains. Random training plans aren't neccessarily the best training for everyone. Know yourself, know your weaknesses and ensure the time you spend training is focused on what you need to do to get better. |
2011-06-15 3:23 PM in reply to: #3548381 |
Master 2460 | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year Awesome improvement. Although to be fair, I would warn that your results as VERY atypical.
I think your original bike speed of 20mph was a lowball for your true 'trained' range , given for what you were running off the bike.
Getting from 20 to 25mph in race speed with no equipment upgrades is an extremely tall order, even with a great coach, years of training, and full dedication. |
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2011-06-15 4:29 PM in reply to: #3551117 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year agarose2000 - 2011-06-15 3:23 PM Awesome improvement. Although to be fair, I would warn that your results as VERY atypical.
I think your original bike speed of 20mph was a lowball for your true 'trained' range , given for what you were running off the bike.
Getting from 20 to 25mph in race speed with no equipment upgrades is an extremely tall order, even with a great coach, years of training, and full dedication.
Not necessarily. I'd agree if you were originally being very diligent in training, diet, etc. and were maximizing what talent you have. On the other hand if Andrew raced last year and wasn't maximizing what talent he has or perhaps was under trained it is very much in the realm of "normal". For instance I started intelligently training last September/October some time. I went from riding in the 17 mph range and running a 10 minute mile to now riding 21.5 mph consistently and running in the 7:45 range. |
2011-06-15 4:40 PM in reply to: #3548381 |
Extreme Veteran 622 Dubai, United Arab Emirates | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year That is impressive! I just wish you weren't in my age group. |
2011-06-15 4:50 PM in reply to: #3551256 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year BJG85 - 2011-06-15 4:40 PM That is impressive! I just wish you weren't in my age group. Hahaha. He's just young enough that he's going to stay an AG behind me for the most part. |
2011-06-15 4:51 PM in reply to: #3551237 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Just do the training: Comparing Races from Year to Year uhcoog - 2011-06-15 4:29 PM agarose2000 - 2011-06-15 3:23 PM Awesome improvement. Although to be fair, I would warn that your results as VERY atypical.
I think your original bike speed of 20mph was a lowball for your true 'trained' range , given for what you were running off the bike.
Getting from 20 to 25mph in race speed with no equipment upgrades is an extremely tall order, even with a great coach, years of training, and full dedication.
Not necessarily. I'd agree if you were originally being very diligent in training, diet, etc. and were maximizing what talent you have. On the other hand if Andrew raced last year and wasn't maximizing what talent he has or perhaps was under trained it is very much in the realm of "normal". For instance I started intelligently training last September/October some time. I went from riding in the 17 mph range and running a 10 minute mile to now riding 21.5 mph consistently and running in the 7:45 range. In this case I think argarose is correct. As I've stated, the 2010 result was sub-par and more difficult conditions, so it's probably not a great representation of what my fitness was at the time. An increase from 21 to 25mph takes a LOT more power(and therefore training) than a jump from 17 to 21.5 mph. Each incremental improvement gets harder and harder as you get faster. |
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