First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed)
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2011-09-21 11:13 AM |
Extreme Veteran 612 Chicago-ish | Subject: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) I've been doing triathlons for a few years now and have always worked through any issues I had when out running or riding but Sunday I ended up bailing on my run. Unfortunately it was my only 20 mile training run for my marathon October 9th and I've been questioning my decision to bail since I hung up the phone with my husband. In a nutshell I left late, had to run in pouring rain, two stops for GI distress which used up all my on board TP and after running 8 miles on a blister gave in when the pain from that was like being stabbed with every step. I made it 15.5 miles before calling it quits. Last week was messed up because I got sick so I missed a couple runs and with the shortened long run my biggest training week was really weak. In the past I've recovered pretty fast. I did two HIMs this summer and one week after was back to a full training load. Should I stick to my plan and taper for 3 weeks or try the 20 miler again this weekend then taper for 2 weeks? My logs are up to date and I'm heading out for a 6 miler today. Edited by thndrcloud 2011-09-21 11:14 AM |
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2011-09-21 11:17 AM in reply to: #3694974 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) |
2011-09-21 11:18 AM in reply to: #3694974 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) don't worry about it. It's better just to move on than try to force a very big workout like that into your plan. |
2011-09-21 11:20 AM in reply to: #3694974 |
Extreme Veteran 511 St Johns, Florida | Subject: RE: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) thndrcloud - 2011-09-21 11:13 AM ..... Should I stick to my plan and taper for 3 weeks or try the 20 miler again this weekend then taper for 2 weeks? My logs are up to date and I'm heading out for a 6 miler today. This^ You're doing good. Better find out the cause of that blister problem, though. Edited by dan king 2011-09-21 11:21 AM |
2011-09-21 11:21 AM in reply to: #3694974 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) If your training has been solid thus far, and I know it has, one messed up week or even two--even NOW--is not what is going to make or break your marathon. 15.5 is plenty to go on for a long run going into the mary, provided your running volume has otherwise been sound and sufficient. It has. Relax. Taper. You don't need to do another long run. You can always decide to bail on the marathon later. |
2011-09-21 11:22 AM in reply to: #3694974 |
Extreme Veteran 511 St Johns, Florida | Subject: RE: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) 2 weeks is a pretty good taper IMHO... |
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2011-09-21 11:22 AM in reply to: #3694974 |
Master 1348 Gurnee, IL | Subject: RE: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) I'm going to say go ahead and run the 20 this weekend. Unless you have reason to believe it will be a fail. Confidence is the key here. The 3 week taper thing I don't buy into exactly. I think 2 weeks is just fine. In fact I'm also running 20 on Sunday and the mary on Oct 9. Here is the thing. even if you have to run this on a treadmill due to weather or just to plain make sure the run is a success then do it. That success is going to be crucial going into the marathon. Do you need it physically? Probably not. but maybe. If your legs feel really beat up then don't do it. it has to be a successful run or there is no point to it. If you need to take a few days off before that 20 miler then do it. But then everything rides on that run. Unless your legs feel bad, then that 15 miler will help you that much more for your 20 miler. I'm thinking you can do it. Edited by oriolepwr 2011-09-21 11:25 AM |
2011-09-21 11:29 AM in reply to: #3694974 |
Expert 2555 Colorado Springs, Colorado | Subject: RE: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) Looking at your logs, it already seems like you've been tapering as you've had a steady decrease in already low mileage for the past several weeks. With such low mileage a 3 week taper seems entirely unwarranted. If your blisters are healed enough so that running a 20 miler won't cause more damage, try getting in that run. If for no reason other than the mental boost. However, if your feet need more time to heal then rest up as trying to run a marathon with blisters from the start would be a miserable affair. Whatever you do, don't run in the rain again. All that wetness is almost certain to cause more blistering. |
2011-09-21 11:33 AM in reply to: #3694974 |
Runner | Subject: RE: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) I'd say do the long run this week, cut it down if you're not feeling great about it. I say this because a 3 week taper is excessive to me, considering overall training. |
2011-09-21 11:34 AM in reply to: #3694974 |
Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) I'd go for a two week taper myself. I find the 3 week taper is too much for me. I'd take another stab at it. If your worried about recovery try doing it early in the week if you can. Might be hard to get that kind of time commitment before you have to start your day though |
2011-09-21 11:43 AM in reply to: #3694974 |
Expert 977 | Subject: RE: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) I agree that a 2 week taper is enough. But it all depends on you. I'd need the long run (18 - 20) just for my confidence. good luck, Duane |
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2011-09-21 11:46 AM in reply to: #3695014 |
Expert 913 Lost in the Evergreens | Subject: RE: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) About those Blisters. |
2011-09-21 11:55 AM in reply to: #3695060 |
Expert 913 Lost in the Evergreens | Subject: RE: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) About the taper. Here you done a 3 week taper before? I did a 3 weeks taper before the RnRAz and felt that my legs were slugish and stale. I felt really terrific and fully recovered after 2weeks of tapering and excited to run the mary. My performance in the race was not a PR. In June I trained for the RnRSea the same volume with less intensity as the preperations for RnRAz and was significantly faster and felt better prepared during the race. RnRSea was a 20 week program with 2 week taper. RnRAZ was a similar program at a faster e pace and more intense coached track workouts with 3 week taper. Not exactly Apples to Oranges but close enough for Rock n Roll. |
2011-09-21 12:21 PM in reply to: #3694974 |
Member 52 Fort Wayne, IN | Subject: RE: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) I had an almost identical situation last year for my first marathon. I was advised not to worry about the 20 miler, so 18 was my longest. I just continued with my plan, which was also a 3 week taper. As I've been told, your performance will be largely based on the total training you did, not the five miles you didn't do or the difference between a long run of 18 or 20. That's all mental and confidence related. Good luck, I'm sure you'll do well! |
2011-09-21 1:24 PM in reply to: #3694974 |
Extreme Veteran 607 Rochester, MN | Subject: RE: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) I've done 3 week tapers for my last 2 marathons (following Higdon plans) but next time I will drop it to a 2 week taper with a 20 miler 2 weeks out. I'm in do the 20 miler this weekend group. |
2011-09-21 1:28 PM in reply to: #3694974 |
Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) I'd do the 20 miler...even though I'm a believer in a three week taper for marathons, I'm a bigger believer (from painful personal experience) in getting my long run built up to 20 miles (or 2:45+, if you like to think in those terms), if possible. (E.T.A. ....but make sure you deal with the blister issue!) Edited by tcovert 2011-09-21 1:29 PM |
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2011-09-21 1:32 PM in reply to: #3694974 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) I'd say do it, if for not other reason than mental preparedness. Two full weeks of taper should be fine, and you will have one less week of taper madness. |
2011-09-21 1:57 PM in reply to: #3694974 |
Extreme Veteran 457 Flushing | Subject: RE: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) I did my first marathon this year and had a somewhat similar situation come up. My son was in the hospital for about 5 weeks during my build up phase. I didn't run for 5 weeks then had only 4 weeks until my race. I did a 15 miler the first week back and then I was going to do a 20 miler and hurt my knee and only did 13. I followed that up with another 15 miler and then 10 the week before the race. My longest run ever was 15 miles before my marathon. The race was PAINFUL!!! I would recommend doing the 20 miles and only 2 weeks of taper to get over the hump. |
2011-09-21 2:07 PM in reply to: #3695028 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: First time calling for a ride (marathon advice needed) Scout7 - 2011-09-21 12:33 PMI'd say do the long run this week, cut it down if you're not feeling great about it. I say this because a 3 week taper is excessive to me, considering overall training. ^^^This^^^ A 3 week taper is only necessary if you're carrying a really big training load. Just a quick look at your logs gives me the impression that your volume hasn't been large enough to justify 3 weeks. You should be able to recover and peak with 2 weeks. Edited by TriMyBest 2011-09-21 2:11 PM |