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2011-09-28 7:07 PM

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Subject: IM training plan for a sub 10 hour finish
So I just finshed my 1st IM and now want to really train hard and be competitve in my age group for 2012....So Im wondering what plan would you suggest if I wanted to finish in under 10 hours....I know it depends all on the person and there ability, just wondering which ones have worked well....my first IM I finished in 12:49:25.  So I have some work to do....all thoughts welcomed...thanks


2011-09-28 8:03 PM
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12:50 to sub 10 is....ambitious.  I applaud ambition.  I think it's great.

Realistically, that kind of improvement is likely to involve a massive change in lifestyle and is likely to be a multi-year project.  There's nothing wrong with either.

I think you'd do well to think in other terms.  Don't think about sub-10.  Take as your primary goals the sorts of things that will generate real improvements in your performance, such as:

    "I will swim 12K per week"

    "I will run at least 6 times per week"

    "I will bike HARD three times per week, and ride at least 3 hours on Saturday regardless of the weather."

Those are just examples (but relevant examples).  What plan you (try to) follow has a lot less to do with your success than how consistent and dedicated you are in your training.  Good luck!

2011-09-28 8:35 PM
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Experior - 2011-09-28 8:03 PM

What plan you (try to) follow has a lot less to do with your success than how consistent and dedicated you are in your training. 

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I rarely see that advice on tri boards.  It's SO much more important than a "plan"

 

 

2011-09-28 9:19 PM
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+1 to what Michael just said.

If you break that goal down into smaller pieces then it won't be so overwhelming.  Maybe you want to take a few minutes off your marathon PR.  Or raise your power on the bike by X watts.  Whatever.  Work on those smaller goals within the framework of several weeks or months, and then re-evaluate if you're not on target.

2011-09-28 11:13 PM
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If I was investing in the massive amount of time and energy it would take to go sub-10, I would be thinking more along the lines of a coach that could tailor my training to me specifically than finding a plan. Maybe a good plan as an interim until I shaved an hour or two off but as things got more serious I'd want more thought into what suits my strengths and weaknesses.
2011-09-28 11:18 PM
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Well, if you're up to it, here is what you'll need based on your last time. While I don't know your splits, to take an hour off the run requires a cut in run pace by about 2 min and 20 seconds per mile. To take two hours off the bike (say it took you 7 hours last time, and now you want to do it in 5 hours) requires an increase in the bike from 16 MPH to 22.4 MPH. The good news is you don't have to improve your swim




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2011-09-29 6:09 AM
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Yes Ive broken down the areas in which I need to improve.....I was just curious to what plan to base things on for training....I used the BT beginners IM program for this last IM and was looking for a intermidate program that could slightly guide my trainning to improve. I understand it depends on how dedicated you are just wanted to know if anyone used a plan that they really thought worked for them....  I dont plan on using a coach Id rather take this journey and accomplish it on my own...though I get alot of advice and guidance from other sub 10 hour triathletes.....
2011-09-29 6:12 AM
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if your not ambitious than whats the point.....at lest thats my thought.....will I get a sub 10 hours....who knows but im pretty excited to try.....but as you said this goal is a 2 year plan....

 

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2011-09-29 8:39 AM
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Here is a link that I have had saved in my favorites for a long time. I don't know anything about the plan or its likelihood of success but the title looked interesting. Hope it offers something to you.

http://www.triforceteam.com/2010/08/sub-10-ironman-in-10-hours-per-...

2011-09-29 9:15 AM
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What were your splits and what did your training look like (rough idea)?

I like Michael's advice of setting targets for training and being as consistent as possible but also Fred's advice of making your racing goals into stages. Before you get to sub 10, you first need to go sub 12, then sub 11, then sub 10:30 and so on. Each step is going to be more challenging than the one before and if you simply aim for sub 10, you will have several race results that will likely be disappointing before (or if) you reach your goal.

Shane


2011-09-29 9:19 AM
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wannabefaster - 2011-09-29 10:39 AM

Here is a link that I have had saved in my favorites for a long time. I don't know anything about the plan or its likelihood of success but the title looked interesting. Hope it offers something to you.

http://www.triforceteam.com/2010/08/sub-10-ironman-in-10-hours-per-...



He missed two key steps to success with that program:

1) Choose your parents wisely;
2) Be in exceptional shape before beginning that plan.

Shane

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2011-09-29 9:29 AM
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I will echo Fred's and others comments. I have dreams close to what yours are as well with a first IM finish time very close to yours (IMWI 12:57:xx). But to let you know I have made my goal a 5-year plan and beyond. The best way to look at it is to break your dream (big goal) down into smaller goals. Doing this will make that elusive sub-10 hour performance more achievable and progressive. Next year I am doing IMWI again with no time goal, but instead to lay down my best performance and see where it puts me timewise.

For training everyone is different when it comes to volume and numbers but one thing is the same across all boards and that is CONSISTANTCY!!! It rules supreme over everything else. I can echo this by saying that my best training is when I am consistant. There are a handful of great IM racers on this board BryanCD, Fred Doucette, JoshKaptur, Wiky, just to name a few. Pick their brains see what they did and vist the Slowtwitch forums as well. Good luck in your chase!

2011-09-29 9:33 AM
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A lot less to do with the plan than it does on your execution of it and your ability.  If you are consistent and execute, than there are multiple plans that can get you faster.

For starters, chip away at things until you get somewhere around these levels:

20x100 @ 10s rest in the pool coming in low 1:20s/100, target split <1:05 w/ energy to spare

Power to weight on the bike >4w/kg with a good position and setup, target split 5:00-5:10

half marathon speed of <1:27, target IM run 3:35

Go do the Florida course and stay out of the hilly ones where it'll cost you at least 15 minutes.

I'm with you in spirit.  I've done the math.  I went 11:06 at LP on my first one after suffering on the run more than I thought I would and having a sort of a below average day for me and I always think about what it would take to go under 10.  On paper it doesn't see as hard as it is in reality and it gets exponentially harder to shave time the faster you go.  The above mixed with a good day on one of the faster known courses will give you a fighting chance at it is my estimate. These are just my personal anecdotal numbers I'm sort of shooting for before I bother showing up to another IM....Give yourself 2-3 years of consistency and see how your body adapts.


2011-09-29 10:27 AM
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Subject: RE: IM training plan for a sub 10 hour finish
What I would do is go to one or 2 sports for a good year and focus on that. Preferably the bike. You are still pretty far off and you need to drop time in bunches. Whatever you focus on will do that and the sports you took time off from will not have lost much. For me personally, I just don't improve much training hard in all 3 sports, but when I work on one, times drop in bunches.I know a few guys that have done that method with success, and imo, to go sub 10 (which I'm not even close) you have to be either an elite cyclist or runner, or preferably both.What were your last splits anyway?
2011-09-29 10:34 AM
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chasingkona - 2011-09-29 10:29 AM

I will echo Fred's and others comments. I have dreams close to what yours are as well with a first IM finish time very close to yours (IMWI 12:57:xx). But to let you know I have made my goal a 5-year plan and beyond. The best way to look at it is to break your dream (big goal) down into smaller goals. Doing this will make that elusive sub-10 hour performance more achievable and progressive. Next year I am doing IMWI again with no time goal, but instead to lay down my best performance and see where it puts me timewise.

For training everyone is different when it comes to volume and numbers but one thing is the same across all boards and that is CONSISTANTCY!!! It rules supreme over everything else. I can echo this by saying that my best training is when I am consistant. There are a handful of great IM racers on this board BryanCD, Fred Doucette, JoshKaptur, Wiky, just to name a few. Pick their brains see what they did and vist the Slowtwitch forums as well. Good luck in your chase!

 

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2011-09-29 11:03 AM
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Without knowing your current fitness, training, or results it's tough to give advice, to be honest. Based on your result, you likely are going to have to do a lot of consistent training over a decent amount of time to get there. I have found that people who are sub 10 IM'ers are either there or close to there out of the box at their first race or spend at least few years working to get there. Not a lot of middle ground on that and being over 12 hours, you will have a lot of work to do. I would echo the sentiment that a coach might be the best option if that's something you could do.

And don't think cherry picking courses will realy help, at most that's good for 20-30min tops.

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2011-09-29 11:08 AM
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This being only my third triathlon here are  my splits and esitmated goals and how I will try to attack it....my focus is going to be the bike and run.. Im pretty sure I knock off an hour of my run time....

                                2011                 2012/13 Goal           Current Difference

Swim                     1:18:36                1:00:00                    00:18:36

 

Trans 1                 00:06:59               00:04:00                  00:02:59

 

Bike                      6:26:25                  5:00:00                    1:26:25

Trans 2                 00:08:22                00:04:00                  00:04:22

Run                       4:49:25                   3:50:00                    00:59:25

Total Time      12:49:25                      9:58:00                    2:51:47

2011-09-29 11:32 AM
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You might need at least 2 years. I don;t know if you really appreciate how time compression works and what a difference it is to go from 12 -11-10 hours. As you get closer to 10, finding that next 30min becomes vary hard. Like I said, had you gone 11 hours at your first race you might have had a reasonable shot but I'm not seeing this math working out regardless how hard you work. Shoot for an 11 to 11:30 hour race for next year and go from there if you make it.
2011-09-29 11:42 AM
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Yea I figure that at least 2 years...I also understand that the splits I posted and goals are easy to read but hard to achieve....as I said before its a goal......I may never reach it but its fun to have a goal that is hard to obtain thats the fun part is trying.
2011-09-29 11:57 AM
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Jorgito22 - 2011-09-29 10:42 AM

Yea I figure that at least 2 years...I also understand that the splits I posted and goals are easy to read but hard to achieve....as I said before its a goal......I may never reach it but its fun to have a goal that is hard to obtain thats the fun part is trying.


Agreed, good luck!


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I will echo Fred's and others comments. I have dreams close to what yours are as well with a first IM finish time very close to yours (IMWI 12:57:xx). But to let you know I have made my goal a 5-year plan and beyond. The best way to look at it is to break your dream (big goal) down into smaller goals. Doing this will make that elusive sub-10 hour performance more achievable and progressive. Next year I am doing IMWI again with no time goal, but instead to lay down my best performance and see where it puts me timewise.

For training everyone is different when it comes to volume and numbers but one thing is the same across all boards and that is CONSISTANTCY!!! It rules supreme over everything else. I can echo this by saying that my best training is when I am consistant. There are a handful of great IM racers on this board BryanCD, Fred Doucette, JoshKaptur, Wiky, just to name a few. Pick their brains see what they did and vist the Slowtwitch forums as well. Good luck in your chase!

 

The number one thing is clearly not spelling...

It's more of an issue of typing on an android and not caring to correct mistakes on small keyboards.
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2011-09-29 12:26 PM
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Hey Bryan if I'm not mistaken didn't someone on your team go from 12-10 hours over a year or two at IMWI? Ancona?
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