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2005-10-10 11:20 AM

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Subject: Leg Strength
Need some advice please:

I'm early in my training and my legs can't hang. The problem is I have very little leg muscle. Just a simple half hour treadmill session (run/walk...not even full running) or a 10 mile bike ride make my legs fatigued. Part of the problem is I've had three knees surgeries (both legs) and have not focused on coming back from the atrophy.

My question is: When do I do weight training on my legs? Since they seem to be getting beat up from walk/run and bike, should I even bother with weights? If so, when. It seems like if I do, I'll be struggling big time on my run/walk and bike. I'm sure this is just because I am starting out my trainin, but I want to do it right. Any advice? Thanks.


2005-10-10 11:35 AM
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Given the number of surgeries you've had, I think a lot of people here would be wary of offering any specific advice. This may be a question best asked of your Dr., or a physical therapist.

Good luck with your training, keep us posted on how it goes.

2005-10-10 11:36 AM
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Personally I think you're trying to do too much too soon.

IMO I would concentrate on strengthening your bike form first, running second (since its harder on your knees) and hold off all together on weights until your legs start to feel strong and you've got back your normal strength.  Leg training in the pool would also be a good idea. 

Slow and steady wins the race.  Don't hurt yourself!

2005-10-10 12:16 PM
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Talk to your doc first...

I recommend aqua jogging. It is used not just to build leg strength, it's also used as recovery/therapy for injured athletes.

Talk to your doc, and google aqua jogging.

2005-10-10 12:56 PM
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Couldn't agree more with posts about seeing your doctor first. You might even ask him/her if a couple of months of physical therapy might not be a good idea to get you started on the right foot.
2005-10-10 1:40 PM
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I would begin strength training right away, but keep the volume very low. Triathletes should do very short, but hard strength training workouts. I coach world champions who never spend more than 30-45 minutes twice per week in the weight room. More sets make bigger muscles, but that isn't what triathletes are after.

I recommend 1 set of leg press, leg curl, leg extension, and calf raise for lower body. Use relatively heavy weights and EXTREMELY slow speed of movement. This works the endurane fibers more, and reduces both injuries and soreness. Keep the sets between 40 and 60 seconds in duration.

Exercise descriptions are below. More detail is available in my book The Triathlete's Guide to Run Training www.Fitness-Concepts.com Good luck, Ken

1. Leg Press: Place feet at the very top of the platform, shoulder-width or narrower. Set seat so that knee angle is slightly less than 90 degrees and hip angle is significantly below 90 degrees. Press the platform out slowly until knees are almost straight. Lower slowly until knees are bent to a 90 degree angle and repeat. This exercise works the quadriceps muscles on the front of the thigh and the gluteus maximus muscles of the buttocks. Placing the feet too low on the platform puts most of the stress on the quadriceps and minimizes stress on the glutes.

2a. Seated Leg Curl: Sit on the machine with legs between the two roller pads. Slowly and deliberately pull the heels back toward the buttocks by bending the knees. Keep the toes pulled up toward the knees and avoid pointing the toes. This exercise works the hamstring muscles on the back of the thigh.

2b. Lying Leg Curl: Lie face down on machine with knees lined up with machine's axis of rotation and heels hooked under the roller pads. Slowly bend your knees until your heels come up and touch your butt. Your hips may rise slightly off the machine; don't try to keep them all the way down. During the entire set, keep your toes pulled up toward your knees - don't point your toes or your calf muscles will assist and may fatigue before the target muscles have been effectively worked. This exercise works the hamstrings on the back of the thigh.

3. Leg Extension: Sit with your knees lined up with the machine's axis of rotation and your feet hooked under the roller pads. Slowly straighten your legs until they are completely straight. Make sure to achieve a full 180 degree angle - the last few degrees are very important. Lower the weight stack until your knees are bent to a 90 degree angle, without setting the weight down, and repeat.

4a. Calf Raise : Sit on a leg press machine with only the balls of your feet on the platform. Straighten your legs and lock out the knees (unless you feel pain or have a history of knee problems). Keeping the knees straight, lower the weight by dropping your heels. You should feel a deep stretch in the calves. Slowly point your toes, trying to shift your weight onto the big toe of each foot. Don't let your feet roll to the outside.

4b. 1-Legged Standing Calf Raise: Stand on one foot on the edge of a stair with the ball of your foot on the stair and your arch and heel off the stair. Drop your heel to get a full stretch of the calf muscles, then slowly push up on to your toes and extend your ankle. As you push up, try to roll your weight on to the big toe as much as possible.

5a. Seated Row: Sit in front of a low pulley with your feet braced against the machine. Grip the handle with your palms facing each other. Keeping the elbows straight, slowly pull the shoulders back (squeeze your shoulder blades together and stick your chest out) without raising them toward your ears. Only when your shoulders are pulled all the way back, slowly bend your elbows and pull back until the elbows are well behind the torso. Lower the weight until the arms and shoulders are fully extended and repeat.

5b. Lat Pull: Using a palms-away grip about six inches wider than shoulder width, slowly pull the bar down to the base of your neck where it meets the upper chest. Allow the bar to slowly rise back to the starting position and repeat for the designated number of repetitions.
6. Bench Press: Lie on your back with the bar lined up with your shoulders. Grip the bar about 6" wider than shoulder width. Lower the bar to your chest and slowly press upward. Slowly lower and repeat.

7a. Lateral Raise: On a machine, place your elbows inside the pads. Or, stand with dumbbells hanging at your sides. Slowly raise your arms out to your sides. Make sure to rotate your arms from the shoulders, instead of "shrugging" the shoulders up toward the ears. This exercise works the outside of the shoulder.

7b. Shoulder Press: Grip a barbell using a palms-away grip about four inches wider than shoulder width. Slowly push the barbell upward until arms are fully extended overhead. Slowly lower the bar to your upper chest and repeat.

8a. Low Back: Sit in the machine with your hips pressed all the way back against the lower pad. Put both belts across your hips and legs and tighten as much as possible. Cross your arms on your chest and press back slowly against the upper pad with your upper back and shoulders until you feel a stopper. Lower the weight, rounding your back as you come forward. If you cannot hit the stopper, you are using too much weight. Make sure that the belts are tight enough that your hips cannot move forward or up during the movement.

8b. Dead Lift: Stand with a barbell directly in front of you. Grip the bar at shoulder width. Stand up, keeping your arms straight and lifting the bar to thigh level. Slowly lower the weight to the floor and repeat.

9a. Leg Lifts: Lie on your back with your arms on the floor at your sides. Very slowly raise your legs and bring your knees in to your chest, bending the knees as you lift. At the end of the movement, concentrate on rotating your pelvis upward as much as possible. During the entire movement, concentrate on squeezing the abdominal muscles, not just completing the movement.

9b. Crunches: Lie on your back and cross your arms on your chest. Very slowly roll your shoulders forward and upward while keeping your lower back in contact with the floor. Pause at the top and return. As with the leg-lifts, concentrate on squeezing the abdominal muscles, not just completing the movement.

9c. Sit-Ups with Twist: Lay on your back on the floor. Put your feet under the edge of a couch or have a friend hold them down. Lock your fingers behind your head. Bring your right elbow up to your left knee, go back down, and bring your left elbow up to your right knee. Repeat. Additional resistance can be created by holding a weight behind your head or using an incline board.

10a. Shoulder Internal Rotation: Attach a stretch-cord to a doorknob or other stationary object at about waist height. Stand far enough away to create optimal resistance. Face 90 degrees away from the doorknob, so that it is directly to your right. Hold the stretch-cord in your right hand with your elbow tucked firmly against your side and bent at 90 degrees so that the forearm is horizontal and pointing toward the doorknob. Maintaining a 90 degree elbow angle, slowly rotate the upper arm, moving the hand away from the doorknob in an arc. Make sure to keep the elbow locked against your side and move only the forearm and hand. Repeat slowly for one minute. Resistance should be great enough that completing the final repetition is very difficult. Repeat with the left arm.

10b. Shoulder Internal Rotation: Grip a lat bar so that you have a 90-degree bend at both the elbow and shoulder. Begin with your upper arms horizontal and your lower arms vertical (pointing up). Rotate your hand and the bar forward until your lower arms are pointing down. Your elbows should remain in place, with the upper arm only rotating. This works small, weak muscles, so start very light.

11. Shoulder External Rotation: Attach a stretch-cord to a doorknob or other stationary object at about waist height. Stand far enough away to create optimal resistance. Face 90 degrees away from the doorknob, so that it is directly to your left. Hold the stretch-cord in your right hand with your elbow tucked firmly against your side and bent at 90 degrees so that the forearm is horizontal and pointing toward the doorknob. Maintaining a 90 degree elbow angle, slowly rotate the upper arm, moving the hand away from the doorknob in an arc. Make sure to keep the elbow locked against your side and move only the forearm and hand. Repeat slowly for one minute. Resistance should be great enough that completing the final repetition is very difficult.

12. Hip Flexors: Use an ankle strap and a low pulley machine to work the hip flexors. Face away from the machine and lean forward on a chair or something similar for stability. Begin the exercise with the strap on your right ankle and with the right leg fully extended behind you. Slowly drive the right knee forward, allowing the knee to bend. Ideally the range of motion at the hip will vary from about 45 degrees behind you to 45 degrees in front of you. Allow the leg to stretch out behind you again and repeat. Work this muscle particularly hard as it is important in all three triathlon segments.



2005-10-10 1:48 PM
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DITTO! If you know you haven't worked on getting your muscles back like you should, go back to PT.  They will give you exercises not only for your large muscle groups, but also your smaller muscles that help keep your knees feeling good. I injured my knees years ago by doing too much too fast in running. I avoided surgury, but my PT had opinions about how strong I had to be before even attempting running again. Train healthy- talk to your doc and PT.

triman50 - 2005-10-10 12:56 PMCouldn't agree more with posts about seeing your doctor first. You might even ask him/her if a couple of months of physical therapy might not be a good idea to get you started on the right foot.
2005-10-10 2:09 PM
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Subject: RE: Leg Strength
Thanks for the input everyone!
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