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2004-06-03 12:21 PM

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Hi Folks,

I have a question which would like to hear what you guys think of it.

As I start building up my training programs, I have this wierd feeling that I am getting more and more self-centered. I enjoyed the training very much and am doing the training very disciplined and on a solo basis most of the time. As I spend more and more into training, I am getting more and more healthy (which is very good). I am getting more health conscious and more concern with what I am eating and drinking and stop going out so that I can have more sleep for the training the next day. All these good side effects we all know about when we take up this sport.

However, recently I have an odd feeling that with all these good side effect, not only am I becoming more self-centered, I am feeling that I am becoming more arrogant. Unless a person too is training for a tri like us, I have less and less common topic which we can socialise. I refrain myself from having a good beer and a good night out. I even begin to go less to concert and to watch a film which I used to enjoy very much. The worst is that my biological clock is set to fall asleep sometime at 9pm now! All I am thinking of every day is what I should be focusing on at the next training session and my wife starts complaining that all I do nowadays is training and am spending less time with her! Needless to say, my friends stop asking me out for a "bad" time.

The question posed to me is am I overdoing this? How can I strike a balance between a tri life and a "general public" life?

Is this a stage at which all tri guys need to face and get through? If so, how can I get through this?

Any thought on this will be much appreciated.


2004-06-03 1:09 PM
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Here's what you do: convert your wife and friends!! Get them to drink the Kool-Aid!

No? Okay. People have suggested keeping your tri season short - several races in the course of a few months - then shifting your schedule back to something more social. Then you're saying to friends and family, "Give me this short period to focus on something that's important to me, and afterward I'll make it up to you" instead of leaving them thinking that you've abandoned them permanently. You need to negotiate something you can all live with. Triathlons are nice, but you don't want to lose (good) friends over them.
2004-06-03 1:49 PM
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well, I have no answer to this dilema because it happens to me as well.  I find that I have little patience for people who 1. don't eat like I do, 2. don't exercise like I do, and 3. don't sleep like/when I do.  This mostly applies to my family, and I better figure out how to get over it fast!

Max, you had better not repeat this to Mike!  LOL

2004-06-03 1:53 PM
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Spencer,

We are in the same boat, my wife told me that I'm a little obsesed with this "triathlon thing" and not spending much time with her. What I did was I invlolved her in some of my training like the last poster told you. I bought her a GOOD headphones, shoes/gear/etc.. and she walk in the park while I train. I try to rest fridays, or train early in the morning, so we have the hole afternoon free; saturdays and sundays, train early in the morning, the earlier the better, becuase you have to come back from training and do some shores in the house. I've been doing this for the past 5 months and everybody is happy, well... I think..

Good luck dude.
2004-06-03 2:57 PM
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I find myself in somewhat of a similar position. I have trouble relating to people who don't work out, because that's basically all I do. In fact, people who don't work out BOTHER me! UGH....what a crappy thing to admit to.

I find that all I do is think about what my next week of training will be like. How can I improve on running, am I running enough...am I eating correctly....etc, etc. I've stopped going out after softball games because I want to get up early the next morning to swim. I have spreadsheets of my training that I obsess over. Anyways...My point I guess is that you are not alone. I have found that it makes my boyfriend happy if I just go over to his place and bike on the trainer while we watch tv. Atleast then, we're together and we can chat. I try and swim in the mornings, so running is really the only thing that gets in the way. I'm hoping that eventually I will stop obsessing over this stuff, and join the rest of society.
2004-06-03 3:24 PM
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Yup - nothing like a quiet night in with Mrs Bigpikle, discussing whether I need to reduce my aerobic HR zone quite as low as recommended by Dr Maffetone in PC Coach, or whether the slightly higher levels in my previous calculations will give just as much benefit! The only benefit is she is a doctor so roughly understands some of the rubbish I talk about.

We went away last weekend to the South West for a weekend with my parents in the country and then spent Sat morning in the coolest bike and tri shop admiring £'000's of bikes and gear, while she read a magazine in the thoughtfully provided sitting area for bored relatives. The only interest she showed was trying to persuade me to do a wetsuit for the first time and try it out in their indoor never-ending pool!

Help - a triathlete has stolen my body and is impersonating me.......



2004-06-03 3:33 PM
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Now we're getting around to my TriAnon concept, the support group for triathletes' significant others. I endorse the sitting room for bored relatives concept, although I don't really understand being bored in a tri shop. Last night at the water sports store I was the one who had to drag out my husband and my 3-yr-old. Hey, maybe I AM converting them!!
2004-06-03 3:50 PM
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Sounds like we all drinkin' from the same cooler.
Or in our case: swimmin' in the same lake.

I take a recovery week every 5th week. During this recovery week, I stay up late (10:00) and party hard (1 or 2 beers per night, 4 or 5 beers on the weekend). Both very weak compared to my pre tri days...

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2004-06-03 4:05 PM
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I’ve been thinking about this a little when I’m out training. When we are training we have a fair amount of time to be alone. We have opportunity to be alone in our thoughts and time to think and bond with ourselves. This seems to naturally breed self-confidence and self-reliance both mentally, and physically, which is wonderful, but it can have draw back with our sociality.
I’ve found that making a cognitive list of priorities helps me balance my activities. Actually think what comes first, second, third, forth in my life and then treat each one accordingly. Since work, family and church come well before fitness in my priorities then if/when I have to decide between two conflicting activities the decision is quite simple because it’s predetermined. (Many times I swim laps and the community pool with children because they come first, but I figure I can combine a light swim with family without compromising.)
I also think keeping this triathlon thing in perspective as a life long commitment helps keep things balanced also. If we are going to follow this routine for years then it has to fit and balance into our life’s activities. I figure that my friends and family put up with my absence and encourage me along the way; the least I can do is give to them all the attention they deserve and have a right for (or more). I feel like I receive so much by training and working out that as long as I don’t overdo it burn out is not too much of a factor. But to those around me, who don’t reap the rewards of my training, burn out and frustration can happen rather quickly if I’m not careful.
The answer as to how to balance everything is different for each of us, so there is no one stop suggestion. Except maybe go pro and do it full time. (Sounds tempting!)

Also this may be a little weird but just as I track and log my training I will track time spent in various aspects of life. Each week I have goals for time I will spend I an array of activities that I feel valuable, and I have to report to myself how I’m doing. Monitoring works real well for me.

Good luck – sorry if I rambled!
2004-06-04 9:17 AM
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Well, I fall into the same trap, just to be clear.

But..... for me, anyway, some kind of balance is the goal -and I try to define "health" more broadly than physical health. I try -and fail spectacularly, usually- to create a healthy lifestyle in 5 categories: physical, social, emotional, mental or intellectual, and spiritual. I seriously have these categories written into my planner, so that I don't forget. If I created a lifestyle that was a model of physical fitness, but caused me to lose my friends, alarm bells would start to go off in the social-health category. If I created a lifestyle that was a model of physical fitness, but I hadn't read a book in 6 months, alarm bells would go off in the intellectual health category.

So... I think it's normal to talk with our friends about our new passions. I think, though, that it's unhealthy to preach to our friends or to be SO excited about our new enthusiasms that we don't listen to what excites them. Our friends are important and they continue to be interesting and valuable people, whether or not they understand this new obsession of ours. I also think that it's an important part of social health to expand our social circle, so that we're socializing with people who do share our new enthusiasm.

And I'm officially wearing my mental health professional hat at the moment.... I'd be particularly concerned about two potential paths here regarding life partners. One unhealthy way for this to go would be to devote so much time and emotional energy to any new thing at the expense of a relationship to which you may have made life-long promises. If we're breaking our promises, that's a problem. On the other hand, I'd be equally concerned if the inertia of the other partner were so strong that we can't pursue our passions. In other words, we should be independent, free, and powerful enough to pursue our dreams -to not let someone else truncate our experiences before they ever happen. But we should also value the relationships in our lives. In fact, they should be the SOURCE of our power to live our dreams -bearing in mind that no relationship is ALWAYS at every minute a life-giving, joy-filled, amazing source of strength.

So... to get back to the point.... and taking off my mental health professional cap.... have we remembered to ask our friends what THEY'RE up to lately? Have we allowed them the air-time to wax enthusiastic about THEIR passions? I'd hate to lose my friends over this....

resolving to be a better listener....

Andrea

Edited by Andrea 2004-06-04 9:19 AM
2004-06-04 10:23 AM
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Self centered - I certainly get that. I am used to training alone. I like the solitude and being in touch with my body with no distractions. I don't like training with others because while I am training, I want to be selfish. It is about me and if others aren't involved with that, there will be no missunderstandings or hurt feelings and I won't have to say at mile 8, "I" *pant, pant* "can't talk anymore..."

I am dating a girl who is a runner and on the surface it seemed like a cool idea to run/bike with someone else but that was not the case for me. I was taught a lesson I had learned before and forgotten: Throw other people's schedules and habits into your training and the process can become hectic at times and loses some focus.

Now I try to get my training done in the morning and lunch so that I can be more sociable with others during prime time....


2004-06-04 1:59 PM
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Newbie here,

My wife knows I become overly focused and after having been a couch potato with some health issues she is all for me doing my thing as long as I dont beat her over the head with it. I do my bike rides at 500am on the way to work and hit the gym befor she gets home ..........I also try to make dinner most nights

Sat afternoons and sunday morn is our time to do our things together. I am lucky that my work shift is 545am to 215 pm I am in bed by 930pm and up at 430am

My energy level is better now than in a long time ................if it gets rough on those yoyu love dont forget the power of bling bling
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Work the equation if old friends cant hang with the new u they are just that old friends..........not good or bad just at different place in life
2004-06-04 2:54 PM
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Oh My Gosh!!! AMEN to that, Andrea! A great philosophy! Will try to apply some of your tidbits of knowledge to my own life. Thank YOU!!!

LW

2004-06-11 11:10 AM
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Thanks all for your meaningful contributions on the question I raised. I particularly like Andrea's and tplauche's rational thinking on the subject. Many thanks. I guess taking priorities and balancing one's life as suggested is a very personal thing. It really boils down to what one wants to achieve with this sport. If you are a pro, then for sure one needs to really work on it. It's his/her work/life. Fortunately for me, I don't think I will turn pro (at least I am not thinking at this moment!), thus rather than pushing myself into a too stressful situation, I think I would focus more on the enjoyment side of this sport - enjoying all the trainings, the running, swimming, biking and the adrenaline built-up just before the race. I come to light after all your sharings that I should be enjoying this sport rather than having this sport takes hold of my life. Friendship, love and many other things all contribute to the beautifulness of being alive and I should not be too tight axx with my training routine. A good beer after a hard day is forgiving and should act as an incentive for me to work harder next time. I should praise those who does better than I in the race but should be equally glad for able to make personal progress. This is nonetheless a self-disciplined sport.

Thanks all again for your thoughts and I begin to love this sport more and more.

Cheers!
2004-06-11 12:40 PM
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my two cents, and skrewed up perspective.

As much as I can I try to do my training when my wife is going to be off doing something else like shopping or working. We work different schedules so it's fairly easy to do. But my conscience gets pricked when our three dogs follow me around while I'm getting ready for a ride or run then when I go out the door our Beagle and Pointer start howling like they're being mistreated. So I try to leave enough time to take them for a walk or swim but that doesn't always work.
As far as my viewpoint of others and how they live; it bothers me to think that I'm working on staying as healthy as I can and my insurance premium is gong to pay for their unhealthy choices. It also bothers my to the point of anger when I get comments about working out too much or being too fussy about my diet. NO ONE and I me NO ONE other than my Dr. said anything about my health when I weighed over 300 lbs and couldn't hardly tie my own shoes! So my feeling is, if you didn't have anything to say then, just keep your mouth shut now.
Boy do I feel better!
Thanks for listening.
If anyone is interested I know a good group counselor.
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2004-06-11 2:28 PM
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I know exactly what you mean. Success - even at something as basic as staying healthy and fit - really threatens a lot of people. All the members of my family who never gave me a word of support as I put myself through college and grad school and pursued a career I really care about suddenly came out of the woodwork to tell me how "proud" they were of me when I had a baby. Years of achievement are obviously worth nothing near as much as performing a universal biological function. Now they cluck when I do anything to put the career ahead of the family. There are old friends, there are new friends, and there are people who never were your friends at all.


2004-06-12 1:03 AM
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I'm finding some similar patterns in my life. I used to be fat. No, not "a little overweight." I used to be Fat with a capital F. I was 222 pounds 2 years ago. I was a completely different person because, as a fat woman, I felt like I was always "apologizing" for being fat by being over accomodating. I never said no to anyone. I was always trying to prove myself.

Now I find I have much more of a "to hell with you if you don't like it" attitude. As I said to a friend when sharing a story about a person who used to have no time for the "fat" me, but was gushing over me after I lost weight...you should have been more interested in me when I was fat because I was a MUCH nicer person then.

I don't dislike people who don't eat right and workout, but I don't have patience for them if they try to derail me. I want to slap the next person who tells me I am getting too thin or need to stop losing weight. (I haven't lost weight for over a year.) As for people who sit at the table stuffing burritos with (literally) 1/2 cup of sour cream on them into their pie holes while telling me they try to lose weight but can't...well let's just say I'd like to beat them with their own flabby arms. I find that many many people don't understand what a healthy person eats like or looks like, for that matter. I'm not lucky that I've lost weight, I worked hard to do it. I not lucky to have great legs, these legs run and bike all over the place to get that way. In fact, let's just remove the word "lucky" from our vocab. I am lucky to have the blessing of a body that I can move and the opportunity to take the time to exercise. But as for my weight loss and fitness having ANYTHING to do with luck, BS. It has everything to do with dedication, goal setting, and hard work.

As for balance with my husband I will say first of all that we embarked on weight loss and fitness together, so that's helped. Second of all, he is probably the most wonderfully supportive person on the face of the earth. However it is important to ME that he never feel left out of this whole process. He's not as gung ho about running as I am, but he'll run because he's seen the benefits I'm enjoying, and he wants to do stuff with me. I try to make my training runs a couples thing. He can't run as fast or as far as I can, but he can ride his bike so he'll ride along with me while I run. I'm safer and we're together. When we do run together I slow my pace down and take "detours" (run down a block to the end and back, letting him get a bit ahead, and then catch up with him). I can work on speed work at the Y or when he's on his bike. If I want to do a long bike ride (which I don't do often enough) we do it together. I am faster than he is at biking too so I'll go ahead and then come back around. Again, I can work on speedwork on my rides to work or at the Y.

Last week we started a challenge. We are going to run 100 days and call it our 100 day challenge. That doesn't mean I'm going to overtrain. The rule is at least one mile a day and on "rest" days no more than that. I use those days to work on speed. He's finding that when he doesn't have to do more than a mile, he is enjoying the running more. Tonight I did a mile and a half, hopped off the treadmill (raining drove us indoors) and onto the bike to wait for him to finish. He ran three miles! I have a marathon training run tomorrow and a 10k Sunday so I didn't want to overdo it. (Don't worry, the marathon training is for a half and the run is only 2.5 miles tomorrow.)

Including your spouse in the training is important if you can. Let them share your excitement. Roy might never do a triathlon, but he can cheer me on. Of course you never know...he also said he'd never run a 5k. He ran one last week, the week before, and is running one this Sunday. Never say never. (He just better NOT get better than me.)

2004-06-12 9:06 AM
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I had it perfect...I had a wife who ran, although didn't 'tri', but we still had similar training schedules, and could even train together about three x/wk...she just recently got pregnant...nothing worse than seeing someone on the sidelines on race day who would like nothing more than to be racing next to you...I think it has to be worse than just a bored spouse who 'doesn't understand why you do all that stuff'...I have someone who understands, and wants to be out there, but can't...talk about a guilt trip...managing best I can, and in her more rational moments she understands that this shouldn't mean we both can't train/race...and she is still training, just a lower volume...out of guilt, however I have had to promise to take most of next year off from racing, to take care of baby, while she focuses more on her season...won't be easy, but worth the price of admission...


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2004-06-12 12:27 PM
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This is all very interesting. I began tri-training, in part, to take my mind off the fact that I am separated (geographically) from my fiance. Now I train nearly daily and eat well. Now that he is going to come for an extended visit beginning in August, I wonder what he will think of all this time I put into training and that the rich meals we cooked together will have to be modified. He tells me he hopes I do not become "too meager" with the weight loss. I am hoping to find a bike for him so we can ride together.
2004-06-12 2:36 PM
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I was just wondering if you are now so far gone that you believe sex is yet another way of training? LOL - It just a joke but if you are serious then I would begin to wonder! LOL
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bunnislippers - 2004-06-12 2:36 PM

I was just wondering if you are now so far gone that you believe sex is yet another way of training? LOL - It just a joke but if you are serious then I would begin to wonder! LOL


Hehe. At least that would make sure he likes my training schedule!


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This doesnt sounds like a problem to me. I wish I had that focus! I always get so distracted with all those other things. You should think of it as a blessing not a curse 
2004-06-13 7:05 PM
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Spencer, I'm not certified to give counseling but old enough to share my experience: First question I would ask myself is, what is the big picture? Do I train because I want to overcome myself or the competition? Do I punish myself because I feel guilty?
Winning a race only produces few minutes of that rush; while sharing with others about the win produces more satisfaction than those minutes.
Yes, I like to talk about my passion with those who share my passion. But I have been also in such disaray physically and mentally that I only hope those who are overweight, overdrug, overcouchpotatoed, will benefit from my passion if they the follow the the road I took.
Maybe was two years ago when I met Mark Allen, a person who truly shows what being humble is, and yet, how a role model should be like.
Every day I pray for forgiveness if I have offended someone; and for patience if I will encounter someone like me.

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2004-06-14 12:37 AM
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I've read this thread with great interest because I have experienced many of the same problems and found some of the same answers as many of you here. I too lost a LOT of weight and totally changed my life habits.

I had a similar "problem" of "tunnel vision" when I started martial arts training. If I missed a class, it bugged me. When my spouse was not taking his classes, it bugged me. It took me a while to realize that a lot of martial arts is about balance.....and that means balance in everything.

Really this is not unlike tri training because a balanced approach is also needed to train in 3 sports. In many ways I would think that someone who loves to tri is poised to understand and create balance in his/her life.

Involving family in training really came home to me today when I did my first 5K with my 8 year old daughter. It was her first 5K too. No, we did not run it all..in fact we probably only ran a mile total and that was with much walking in between spurts of running. It was not my hardest workout of the week and perhaps did not contribute that much to my speed/endurance/weight loss etc. But.....we both crossed the finish line with smiles on our faces and she pinned her first race number up on her wall tonight. We got to spend an hour doing something that is good for us. Had a lots of laughs, persevered through some soreness and talked about what we would do different in our next race. It was more than tri training....it was life training for both of us.

Here's wishing all of you experiences full of joy and balance in your lives--

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2004-06-14 8:50 AM
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I struggle with these issues too.

Though my husband isn't too interested in doing the kind of exercise I do, I try to involve him as much as he's willing. He seems to enjoy riding his bike beside me on my long runs and providing water support. He also likes biking with me. Other than that, when I come home I ty to share with him the progress I'm making. I think my excitement at my own progress makes him happy too.

I also have to listen to him when he complains. We need to make our spouses feel treasured but the way to do that varies from person to person. If and when your spouse complains, you have to listen to the message that's under the surface. No one REALLY cares how much time you spend training. They really care about how LITTLE time you're spending with them. So you have to find the things that matter to them the most. For my husband, it's having a well-planned cooked dinner on the table at a decent time. That makes him feel cared for. When he started complaining about how much time I was spending exercising, through our conversation, I found out that late, hurried dinners were bothering him the most. I've now committed to getting home a little earlier and doing a little more planning and it's made a world of difference. For instance, Friday, I cooked dinner before we went out to exercise so it would be ready to go when we got home (cold pasta and sauce - YUM!).

Other than that, I like Andrea's ideas about balance. I think of balance like this -- just remember who will be at your funeral when you die and what you want people to say about you.
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