Calories burned on the bike?!
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2012-03-26 8:02 PM |
Extreme Veteran 890 Sterling | Subject: Calories burned on the bike?! Just was curius. The majority of all the calculators I have found take my weight, minutes biked, and average speed. Tonight I rode 16 miles in 66 minutes. I know thats only 14.5 mph avg but, I just got on a bike for the first time four weeks ago in about 10 years. I weigh 193.5 right now. They are all telling me that I burned over 900 calories. That just seems nuts! It was 18 mph semi head wind the whole trip and I felt like I was leaning over a bunch to stay straight at times. I rode hard for the most part and my legs are wore out in a good way. So far I have lost about 34 pounds and was just curius if that calculation is somewhat correct? Feedback appreciated! |
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2012-03-26 8:36 PM in reply to: #4114398 |
Master 1517 Grand Prairie | Subject: RE: Calories burned on the bike?! I had 3 bike rides since i got my new road bike. I am 6'6" at about 235lbs. Ride 1: 59:30 minutes ; 12.92 miles; 13.0 mp/h -> 739 Cal (57Cal/Mile) Ride 2: 42:01 minutes ; 10.62 miles; 15.2 mp/h -> 660 Cal (62Cal/Mile) Ride 3: 38:57 minutes ; 10.33 miles; 15.9 mp/h -> 580 Cal (56Cal/Mile)
As you can see, I am about 60 Calories per mile. So your ride of 16 miles with ~900 Cal does seem realistic.
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2012-03-26 9:44 PM in reply to: #4114398 |
Member 35 | Subject: RE: Calories burned on the bike?! I have seen these calculation vary quite drastically. Bevie, you and I are almost the exact same size. Last year I had several rides in the 20 mile long range at about 18 MPH and according to my Garmin Forerunner 305 I was in the 1800 calorie range (seems way too high to me. Yesterday I rode 26.2 miles at 17.4 MPH and my new Garmin Edge 500 said I burned 673 calories (seems pretty low) Whatever you are using to calculate calories seems pretty close to what I would expect so in my opinion run with it.
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2012-03-27 3:29 AM in reply to: #4114398 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Calories burned on the bike?! |
2012-03-27 7:31 AM in reply to: #4114398 |
Extreme Veteran 890 Sterling | Subject: RE: Calories burned on the bike?! Thanks guys! |
2012-03-27 8:03 AM in reply to: #4114398 |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: Calories burned on the bike?! Bevie - 2012-03-26 9:02 PMSo far I have lost about 34 pounds and was just curius if that calculation is somewhat correct? Feedback appreciated! With this success, who cares what the calculators say. Well done.
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2012-03-27 11:08 AM in reply to: #4114655 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Calories burned on the bike?! gsmacleod - 2012-03-27 3:29 AMRoughly .3-.4Cal/kmkgShane But what if it's into a head wind? And uphill? Both ways? What is that in American calories? |
2012-03-27 11:19 AM in reply to: #4114868 |
Elite 3515 Romeoville, Il | Subject: RE: Calories burned on the bike?! Goosedog - 2012-03-27 8:03 AM Bevie - 2012-03-26 9:02 PMSo far I have lost about 34 pounds and was just curius if that calculation is somewhat correct? Feedback appreciated! With this success, who cares what the calculators say. Well done.
Because the calculations become more important as you lose more weight, assuming you want to continue to lose weight. The margin of error goes down. Personally, I've found the best way to calculate this is a powermeter. I found my garmin 705 was off 100% and my Polar HRM was off about 50% vs a powermeter calculation of calories. I would also highly doubt 900 calories were burned in 16 miles unless 16mph is a very difficult pace for you to hold and it took a bit over an hour. |
2012-03-27 11:29 AM in reply to: #4114868 |
Regular 262 Toronto, Ontario | Subject: RE: Calories burned on the bike?! Goosedog - 2012-03-27 9:03 AM Bevie - 2012-03-26 9:02 PMSo far I have lost about 34 pounds and was just curius if that calculation is somewhat correct? Feedback appreciated! With this success, who cares what the calculators say. Well done. +1 !! Awesome! I generally find "calorie calculators" on machines to be quite inaccurate and inconsistent but that's just my experience. |
2012-03-27 11:50 AM in reply to: #4114398 |
Veteran 311 Irvine, California | Subject: RE: Calories burned on the bike?! Do you have a heartrate monitor? I know the computer will only read your speed and distance and weight to calculate calories lost, but it doesn't take into consideration when you're going downhill. It just knows your'e covering more ground at a faster rate, therefore burning more calories, even though you're just cruising downhill. The HR monitor will help with knowing how hard you're working during the ride. I know the HRM won't make it 100% accurate, but I've read it would be between 80-90% |
2012-03-27 11:54 AM in reply to: #4115291 |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Calories burned on the bike?! Meulen - 2012-03-27 11:19 AM Goosedog - 2012-03-27 8:03 AM Because the calculations become more important as you lose more weight, assuming you want to continue to lose weight. The margin of error goes down. Personally, I've found the best way to calculate this is a powermeter. I found my garmin 705 was off 100% and my Polar HRM was off about 50% vs a powermeter calculation of calories. I would also highly doubt 900 calories were burned in 16 miles unless 16mph is a very difficult pace for you to hold and it took a bit over an hour.Bevie - 2012-03-26 9:02 PMSo far I have lost about 34 pounds and was just curius if that calculation is somewhat correct? Feedback appreciated! With this success, who cares what the calculators say. Well done.
As weight goes down I turn more towards what performance is doing. |
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2012-03-27 12:03 PM in reply to: #4114398 |
Elite 3515 Romeoville, Il | Subject: RE: Calories burned on the bike?! I'm going to explain this best I can and tell you why you should care..... If you're 30 years old 6' tall and weigh 225 very active and you want to lose 2lbs/week (according to livestrong.com) your daily net cals/day should be 2763 If you've lost 35lbs, now weigh 190, and want to continue to lose 2lbs/week your daily cal intake should now be 2387 So you're counting calories in and out and are counting 900 cals for a 16 mile ride. Realistically, you're probably about 640 for that ride. You're 360 cals off in your calculations. You ride 3x per so you're subtracting 2700cals from a weekly alottment of 19,341. -3500cals =1lbs of weight loss. your off about 1080 cals for the week or about 5.58% of your total weekly alottment Now you lost 35lbs and are working with a 16,709cals/wk allotment to lose 2lbs per week. Your still counting 900 cals for that 16 mile ride. There are lots of other variables with hills, your weight, effort, etc. but lets assume you adjust and still are really burning 640 for that 16 mile ride. You are still off 1080/wk. That's now are now off 6.5% of your weekly allotment The amount you are off climbs as you lose more weight and it becomes more important to be accurate. Eventually, if you stay inaccurate, you will end up doing a bunch of working out and replacing almost all of the calories you've lost working out and then wonder why you aren't losing anymore weight. |
2012-03-27 12:12 PM in reply to: #4115398 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Calories burned on the bike?! Meulen - 2012-03-27 12:03 PM I'm going to explain this best I can and tell you why you should care..... If you're 30 years old 6' tall and weigh 225 very active and you want to lose 2lbs/week (according to livestrong.com) your daily net cals/day should be 2763 If you've lost 35lbs, now weigh 190, and want to continue to lose 2lbs/week your daily cal intake should now be 2387 So you're counting calories in and out and are counting 900 cals for a 16 mile ride. Realistically, you're probably about 640 for that ride. You're 360 cals off in your calculations. You ride 3x per so you're subtracting 2700cals from a weekly alottment of 19,341. -3500cals =1lbs of weight loss. your off about 1080 cals for the week or about 5.58% of your total weekly alottment Now you lost 35lbs and are working with a 16,709cals/wk allotment to lose 2lbs per week. Your still counting 900 cals for that 16 mile ride. There are lots of other variables with hills, your weight, effort, etc. but lets assume you adjust and still are really burning 640 for that 16 mile ride. You are still off 1080/wk. That's now are now off 6.5% of your weekly allotment The amount you are off climbs as you lose more weight and it becomes more important to be accurate. Eventually, if you stay inaccurate, you will end up doing a bunch of working out and replacing almost all of the calories you've lost working out and then wonder why you aren't losing anymore weight.
No....that's why YOU care....I still don't. I'm not counting calories....ever. I work out somewhere between 6 and 15 hours per week depending on what I'm working toward and I eat when I'm hungry. I don't eat any processed food, drink soda, or eat white breads....that's all the thought I put into it. Oh....and beer.....beer is food. |
2012-03-27 12:18 PM in reply to: #4115419 |
Elite 3515 Romeoville, Il | Subject: RE: Calories burned on the bike?! Left Brain - 2012-03-27 12:12 PM Meulen - 2012-03-27 12:03 PM I'm going to explain this best I can and tell you why you should care..... If you're 30 years old 6' tall and weigh 225 very active and you want to lose 2lbs/week (according to livestrong.com) your daily net cals/day should be 2763 If you've lost 35lbs, now weigh 190, and want to continue to lose 2lbs/week your daily cal intake should now be 2387 So you're counting calories in and out and are counting 900 cals for a 16 mile ride. Realistically, you're probably about 640 for that ride. You're 360 cals off in your calculations. You ride 3x per so you're subtracting 2700cals from a weekly alottment of 19,341. -3500cals =1lbs of weight loss. your off about 1080 cals for the week or about 5.58% of your total weekly alottment Now you lost 35lbs and are working with a 16,709cals/wk allotment to lose 2lbs per week. Your still counting 900 cals for that 16 mile ride. There are lots of other variables with hills, your weight, effort, etc. but lets assume you adjust and still are really burning 640 for that 16 mile ride. You are still off 1080/wk. That's now are now off 6.5% of your weekly allotment The amount you are off climbs as you lose more weight and it becomes more important to be accurate. Eventually, if you stay inaccurate, you will end up doing a bunch of working out and replacing almost all of the calories you've lost working out and then wonder why you aren't losing anymore weight.
No....that's why YOU care....I still don't. I'm not counting calories....ever. I work out somewhere between 6 and 15 hours per week depending on what I'm working toward and I eat when I'm hungry. I don't eat any processed food, drink soda, or eat white breads....that's all the thought I put into it. Oh....and beer.....beer is food. Maybe you don't have to care. That's fine....but, that's why the OP was asking the question and YOU weren't! |
2012-03-27 1:06 PM in reply to: #4114398 |
Master 1826 | Subject: RE: Calories burned on the bike?! Most site overestimate calories on the bike. If you have a power meter it makes it easier to make a close estimation based on the work (kJ) performed. I will explain some assumptions you can make and also give you numbers based on what you report. First converting kJ in kCal takes a bit of math, but there is assumption you can make which provides a 1-1 answer. There is a concept of Gross Mechanical Efficiency (I wont muddy the waters here) but it ranges from ~20-25% and is influenced by the type of muscle fiber in your legs. (eg w/ 600kj) 1 kcal = 4.186 kJ kCal = 600/4.186/.239 = ~600 so this shows if you use an estimation of 23.9% for GME it is a 1:1 The range for 20-25% is 573-716 kCals
if you know your power then it is: your average power for the ride (AP) times time in seconds divided by 1000. 1 watt is 1J/s, so it is a simple converstion. an example of 166 watts for 1 hr is: 166*3600/1000 = 597.6kJ in your case 900kJ in 66 minutes would be 900*1000/3960 = 227 watts average power. This does not equate to 14.5mph unless it is uphill or a massive headwind the whole way. So if you don't have a power meter, but have done an FTP test and roughly (with some accuracy) equate you RPE to a power number (a % of FTP) you can get a close estimate |
2012-03-27 3:51 PM in reply to: #4115398 |
Master 1517 Grand Prairie | Subject: RE: Calories burned on the bike?! Meulen - 2012-03-27 12:03 PM I'm going to explain this best I can and tell you why you should care..... If you're 30 years old 6' tall and weigh 225 very active and you want to lose 2lbs/week (according to livestrong.com) your daily net cals/day should be 2763 If you've lost 35lbs, now weigh 190, and want to continue to lose 2lbs/week your daily cal intake should now be 2387 So you're counting calories in and out and are counting 900 cals for a 16 mile ride. Realistically, you're probably about 640 for that ride. You're 360 cals off in your calculations. You ride 3x per so you're subtracting 2700cals from a weekly alottment of 19,341. -3500cals =1lbs of weight loss. your off about 1080 cals for the week or about 5.58% of your total weekly alottment Now you lost 35lbs and are working with a 16,709cals/wk allotment to lose 2lbs per week. Your still counting 900 cals for that 16 mile ride. There are lots of other variables with hills, your weight, effort, etc. but lets assume you adjust and still are really burning 640 for that 16 mile ride. You are still off 1080/wk. That's now are now off 6.5% of your weekly allotment The amount you are off climbs as you lose more weight and it becomes more important to be accurate. Eventually, if you stay inaccurate, you will end up doing a bunch of working out and replacing almost all of the calories you've lost working out and then wonder why you aren't losing anymore weight.
Just to add to this as someone who has lost 30lbs in the last 8month: While you try to have a deficit of calories, you want to ensure the deficit is between 3,500cal and 5,250cal (1 - 1.5lbs). If it is less, you don't loose enough wheight, if it is too high your risk of injury goes up dramatically as your body lacks the resource to repair the "damage" you do to an untrained body. At the same time you can't just up training, as the training amount needs to be built up slow and steady to avoid injury. Let's face it, most people can't afford (timewise or financially) to train as much as on biggest looser with the permanent top-notch medical attention.
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2012-03-27 4:09 PM in reply to: #4114398 |
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2012-03-27 4:25 PM in reply to: #4115983 |
Master 1517 Grand Prairie | Subject: RE: Calories burned on the bike?! tri808 - 2012-03-27 4:09 PM I find calorie counting to be one big guesstimate as a whole. I don' think there is an alternative for me if I want to loose wheight. Honestly in my case, I did not eat bad. But I did eat too much. My portions where out of control and I would always eat just a bit ore, because it was so delicous. At the same time I did not work out at all. By counting calories I have a simple logicall expressable system of how much I should or should not eat.
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2012-03-27 5:06 PM in reply to: #4115565 |
Subject: RE: Calories burned on the bike?! FeltonR.Nubbinsworth - 2012-03-27 1:06 PM Brain...hurts...must...get...ice...cream... Seriously, though, thanks for explaining this. I had just come across a change in my calorie totals (with the addition of the powermeter) and wasn't sure why.Most site overestimate calories on the bike. If you have a power meter it makes it easier to make a close estimation based on the work (kJ) performed. I will explain some assumptions you can make and also give you numbers based on what you report. First converting kJ in kCal takes a bit of math, but there is assumption you can make which provides a 1-1 answer. There is a concept of Gross Mechanical Efficiency (I wont muddy the waters here) but it ranges from ~20-25% and is influenced by the type of muscle fiber in your legs. (eg w/ 600kj) 1 kcal = 4.186 kJ kCal = 600/4.186/.239 = ~600 so this shows if you use an estimation of 23.9% for GME it is a 1:1 The range for 20-25% is 573-716 kCals
if you know your power then it is: your average power for the ride (AP) times time in seconds divided by 1000. 1 watt is 1J/s, so it is a simple converstion. an example of 166 watts for 1 hr is: 166*3600/1000 = 597.6kJ in your case 900kJ in 66 minutes would be 900*1000/3960 = 227 watts average power. This does not equate to 14.5mph unless it is uphill or a massive headwind the whole way. So if you don't have a power meter, but have done an FTP test and roughly (with some accuracy) equate you RPE to a power number (a % of FTP) you can get a close estimate |