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2012-04-04 8:26 AM


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Subject: Open road bike course

I have found a few races that state this in the bike course.    I have never done any race like this  but to me it seems dangerous.    Its hard enough riding a course watching out for slower  riders like myself and then have to worry about cars.   Im assuming that most of the course is on rural roads that have very little traffic.

Remember this is an open course! You will be sharing the road with vehicular traffic. Use caution at all times. It will be your responsibility to print maps, and know the courses. It is the athlete's responsibility to know and understand the courses. Helmets are a must. No helmet - no race. MP3 players on the bike course are an automatic disqualification. Due to a few athletes actions in the past during an event we are making you aware not only in this event but ALL events whether hosted by us or any other event management company YOU MUST OBEY ALL OFFICIALS and EMERGENCY VEHICLES on the course AT ALL TIMES!! The bottom line here is your race is not more important than an EMERGENCY or OFFICIAL on the course.In the event of an emergency you MUST obey officials requests, and you MUST STOP and pull off the road for any and all EMERGENCY VEHICLES to get through.This is not only to ensure the emergency vehicles can proceed, it is for your safety as well. Any athlete that does not adhere to this rule will be disqualified and will not race in a 3D event for the rest of the year.



2012-04-04 8:28 AM
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Subject: RE: Open road bike course
I have yet to ride a course that is closed.  Must be nice.  All my races have gone without incident though.  (knocking on wood)
2012-04-04 8:33 AM
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Well, if you want to pay Ironman-like entry fees for your local sprints, I'm sure they can do a closed-road bike course.

I've never done a tri with closed roads. Ever. Never had a problem. Is it really that hard to keep your head about you?

2012-04-04 8:33 AM
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Subject: RE: Open road bike course
Same here, every race I've done has had open roads.  Not any different than training really.  Shouldn't be a problem.
2012-04-04 8:50 AM
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I did one sprint tri last year and a dual about 10 years ago both races where on closed roads and din't cost a lot.   I just thought that was the norm.   Their is an OLY distance race in my area the entrance fee is 120 that is on a 6 lane closed highway.   I'm assuming the majority of the entrance fee is going towards the road closures.

 

 

2012-04-04 8:57 AM
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A 6 lane closed highway.... really?



2012-04-04 9:12 AM
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Subject: RE: Open road bike course
JZig - 2012-04-04 9:57 AM

A 6 lane closed highway.... really?



Made me think of that Seinfeld episode where they adopt a section of highway and Kramer repaints the lane markers.... "It's a two lane comfort cruise".
2012-04-04 9:16 AM
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djastroman - 2012-04-04 9:33 AM Same here, every race I've done has had open roads.  Not any different than training really.  Shouldn't be a problem.

It's actually better than training because there is usually traffic control at intersections, lots of signage, and a bunch of other riders. Way safer than a solo ride on a random Sunday morning.

2012-04-04 9:20 AM
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Subject: RE: Open road bike course

With races being on Sundays (sometimes Saturdays) in the early AM this usually is not a problem, traffic should be light.  I do agree that someone's life is more important than my race.

2012-04-04 10:04 AM
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The "open road" courses I've raced on had a lane closed to traffic, on multi-lane roads.  In the case of Chicago, two lanes on LSD.  The races in rural areas were on low traffic county roads. (gravel in the intersections was a bigger issue than auto traffic

The course instruction you posted make it sound like you will be racing in an active traffic lane. I doubt that will be the case. I've done a 3D event and it was very well run. 

2012-04-04 10:27 AM
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Subject: RE: Open road bike course
It's really not that difficult--and, actually, drivers are certainly more aware of cyclists during a race, so probably safer than a general training ride. Stay right unless you're passing, then do a shoulder check before moving out (which you should do anyway), and then pass. There will be people at intersections to help with traffic. (even so, be alert...but again, you should be doing that anyway)


2012-04-04 10:34 AM
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Subject: RE: Open road bike course
rmarsh01 - 2012-04-04 8:50 AM

Their is an OLY distance race in my area the entrance fee is 120 that is on a 6 lane closed highway.  

 

Link?  Name of race?

2012-04-04 10:46 AM
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Subject: RE: Open road bike course
CKinsey - 2012-04-04 10:34 AM
rmarsh01 - 2012-04-04 8:50 AM

Their is an OLY distance race in my area the entrance fee is 120 that is on a 6 lane closed highway.  

 

Link?  Name of race?

I'm thinking Leon's.

2012-04-04 10:52 AM
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Your right its Leons in Hammond,IN 

http://www.leonstriathlon.com/race-history.php

Sorry for the confusion the website calls it a  six lane freeway not a highway I don't know if that really matters.   

2012-04-04 11:25 AM
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2012-04-04 11:33 AM
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There is one race in Nashville that has an Oly and Sprint. For this race they close off a 4 lane, freshly paved, highway for the race. It makes for a very nice ride.

All other races I've completed are on open roads, including Ironman Florida.



2012-04-04 11:35 AM
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Subject: RE: Open road bike course
Looks like fun
2012-04-04 11:57 AM
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"I have never done any race like this but to me it seems dangerous."

You're right. It is dangerous. Very dangerous in fact. So dangerous, in fact, that in the history of triathlon there have been some tragic accidents on the bike.

You have to choose to accept the risk or not, and that is a personal choice. Racing sports- all of them- have a risk factor. It is a feature of the sport. Accepting that risk (or choosing not to) is an essential element of controlling factors that manage the risk effectively.

That said, a recent study published in a number of legal publications and websites states:

"Of the 14 deaths identified [in the study], 13 occurred during swimming; the other was a bike crash. Autopsies on six of the victims showed that four had underlying heart problems. Two others had normal-looking hearts, but they may have suffered a fatal heart rhythm problem"

citation: http://theathleteslawyer.com/2009/04/16/triathlon-fatalities-primarily-in-the-swim-portion-of-the-race/

2012-04-04 12:09 PM
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Subject: RE: Open road bike course

All of the races I have done have been on open roads, but with police and/or race volunteers clearing traffic at any major intersections.  If anything, I feel safer in races than on one of my early morning solo training rides.

I've done a couple of races that crossed railroad tracks; had nightmares about getting held up by a train in the middle of the race...

Mark

2012-04-04 12:14 PM
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rsmoylan - 2012-04-04 8:28 AM I have yet to ride a course that is closed.

I have yet to ride one that is open (at least in the direction of the race).

2012-04-04 12:46 PM
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Maybe I'm just an extreme exception, but I really don't see the problem here. In some 35 years of riding on the road, I've yet to hit pavement because of a motor vehicle. Other bikes? Sure. Mostly in bike races (never in a tri).

Does every one else bike train exclusively on the trainer or rail-trails? Does every one just not know how to ride on the road?

I just don't get the paralyzing fear of riding a bike on public roadways.

My feelings are that kind of thinking are what may eventually lead to bikes being relegated to trails legally -- rights not exercised are eventually lost.



2012-04-04 1:06 PM
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Subject: RE: Open road bike course
I've only logged a few weeks of riding on the road (I'm converting to road from mtn) an already I've been passed by several large semis that gave me less room than I'd have preferred. When they pass, they literally drag you into the roadway right behind them. I'm not talking like drag you half a lane, but a foot, maybe two if there are windy conditions as well. A foot or two can be the difference between being pulled into the mirror of a following car, so this sort of thing scares the crap out of me. Do all people passing you seem to be 100% curteous of bikers? If so, where do you live, because I might consider moving...
2012-04-04 1:10 PM
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briderdt: It looks like, from your profile photo, you ride a motorcycle. Quite a fine one also.

That experience is invaluable in riding a bicycle in traffic, and likely a big reason why you are proficient and safe. That's key.

I also notice in that photo you'll got all your safety gear on too. Another feather in your cap.

You Sir, are a competent rider. You took the responsibility to become proficient and you practice good safety habits. Everyone on this forum could learn from your example.

In the surfing movie "In God's Hands" there is a scene where a famous big wave surfer is describing risk:

"There are two kind of surfers: Gung ho, and Gun Shy. Gun Shy surfer don't accept the risk. He don't acknowledge the risk. He die soon. Gung Ho surfer acknowledge the risk, learn to live with it. He good surfer."

Riding a bike in traffic, skydiving, freediving, riding a motorcycle, SCUBA diving, mountaineering: They all have risk. You either accept and embrace the risk and become proficient with it or you don't.

 

2012-04-04 1:53 PM
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Tom Demerly. - 2012-04-04 11:10 AM

briderdt: It looks like, from your profile photo, you ride a motorcycle. Quite a fine one also.

That experience is invaluable in riding a bicycle in traffic, and likely a big reason why you are proficient and safe. That's key.

I also notice in that photo you'll got all your safety gear on too. Another feather in your cap.

You Sir, are a competent rider. You took the responsibility to become proficient and you practice good safety habits. Everyone on this forum could learn from your example.

In the surfing movie "In God's Hands" there is a scene where a famous big wave surfer is describing risk:

"There are two kind of surfers: Gung ho, and Gun Shy. Gun Shy surfer don't accept the risk. He don't acknowledge the risk. He die soon. Gung Ho surfer acknowledge the risk, learn to live with it. He good surfer."

Riding a bike in traffic, skydiving, freediving, riding a motorcycle, SCUBA diving, mountaineering: They all have risk. You either accept and embrace the risk and become proficient with it or you don't.

Actually, it was the other way around -- I was a bicycle rider LONG before I threw a leg over an engine. But I will grant you this: The automatic traffic radar I built with many years on a bicycle went a long ways to getting me comfortable on a motorcycle.

2012-04-04 4:17 PM
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Subject: RE: Open road bike course
In a sprint tri I did last month, the roads were open but little traffic, and there were volunteers and law enforcement directing traffic at almost every intersection. Except one. Which was very confusing to me during my first triathlon.
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