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2012-04-13 9:33 AM

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Subject: Swapping crank and cassette

I have a hilly RR coming up. I'm thinking of stealing my wife's compact crank for it. She has 2011 105, I have 2009 Ultegra. Just a few questions:

1) Do I need to swap the bearings too, or can I just move the crank?

2) Can I mix-and-match the cassette? I have a 12-25 right now and she has an 11-29 or something. I'd like to use her 11 to change mine to an 11-25. Is this possible? I can steal her locking nut, I think for an 11 there is a different size.

3) Any concerns on chain length? I think since I'm changing to a smaller crank there shouldn't be any problems.

Anything else I need to consider? I'm pretty sure the cranks are compatible.

Thanks!



2012-04-13 10:05 AM
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Your cranks are probably compatible and you can just swicth it over. But without knowing for sure which BB you have there is no definite but IMO it is an easy jobe and would take more than 10min to figure out by just pulling off 1 crank arm on both bikes.

I would not mix and match cassettes although for just the 11 to 12 you might be able to do it.

My suggestion would be to just swicth chain, cassette, and cranks if you want to go through with this. Mixing parts that have not been running together is asking for some issues. This way you are not worried abotu cahin length, wear from the system or anything

2012-04-13 10:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Swapping crank and cassette
First thing to check is the rear derailleurs. Short cage derailleur may not allow you to run a larger cassette. You may also have to change that.

The bottom brackets are the same (assuming they are both 10 speed)

The length of the chain may also be an issue.

If it was me, I would at the very least, change the crank and chain. This will give you a wider range of gears.
2012-04-13 10:31 AM
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When I swapped cassettes on mine. I found that a 28 was the largest I could go with the short cage derailleur.  And the 28 was cutting it very close. 
2012-04-13 10:37 AM
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1. You should be able to just swap out the cranks.

2. You can, but how well it works depends on differences in wear. If one is significantly more than the other, the chain may jump some. Also, switch the 11 & 12 over. The 12 on the 12-25 will have bits for the lock-ring to grab onto, while the 12 from the 11-28 likely will not. I don't know how much difference that makes, but better to play it safe.

3. You're going smaller, so there is no chance of there not being enough chain. It's possible there may be a touch extra, but it depends on how well it was sized in the first place. Too much could flop around some, but see how it goes.

2012-04-13 11:19 AM
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brigby1 - 2012-04-13 11:37 AM

1. You should be able to just swap out the cranks.

2. You can, but how well it works depends on differences in wear. If one is significantly more than the other, the chain may jump some. Also, switch the 11 & 12 over. The 12 on the 12-25 will have bits for the lock-ring to grab onto, while the 12 from the 11-28 likely will not. I don't know how much difference that makes, but better to play it safe.

3. You're going smaller, so there is no chance of there not being enough chain. It's possible there may be a touch extra, but it depends on how well it was sized in the first place. Too much could flop around some, but see how it goes.

from my own experience doing the exact thing you are considering, brigby1's advice is spot-on. If the race is hilly enough to worry about it, you will have some good descents as well. If you are used to a standard/12 set-up you will definitely want the 11 for big descents. While you won't technically spin out with the 12, it will feel like you are compared to what you are used to. This is the exact same set up I run; it gives you a bigger gear but allows the ransitions in the middle of the cassette to stay close.



2012-04-13 11:35 AM
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Subject: RE: Swapping crank and cassette
I believe that you will need to adjust the front derailleur too.  When I looked into in the past some sites said there maybe enough adjustment, other said it may have to move down 5mm, etc.

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2012-04-15 5:27 PM
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gvey - 2012-04-13 12:40 PM

You may have to swap the bottom brackets. If one is BB 30 and the other is GXP, they may not be compatable, I'm not 100 percent sure, but I don't think they are. Also, you are probably over thinking the cassette issue. Is there really that much difference between the 11-26 and the 12-25? The 26 will give you a bit more climbing capability and the 11 gives you a bit more downhill speed.Just swap the whole drivetrain. That way you aren't dealing with wear issues.


Since the swap is between shimano 105 and Ultegra, Bottom bracket is not an issue.
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Donto - 2012-04-13 12:35 PM

I believe that you will need to adjust the front derailleur too.  When I looked into in the past some sites said there maybe enough adjustment, other said it may have to move down 5mm, etc.


Definitely have to adjust the front Derailleur. Good point.
2012-04-15 6:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Swapping crank and cassette

Thanks for the help everyone. The crank swapped over no problem, just had to adjust the front derailleur. I can't quite get rid of the rub when on the small front/big rear but I can live with it.

I'm going to stick with the 12-25 for the race. I never lead on the descent in a race, that's for the bigger guys. I tuck in behind for the free ride. If I lead, it's not going very fast because I'm not big enough.



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2012-04-15 9:59 PM
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Subject: RE: Swapping crank and cassette

gvey - 2012-04-15 8:45 PM
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gvey - 2012-04-13 12:40 PMYou may have to swap the bottom brackets. If one is BB 30 and the other is GXP, they may not be compatable, I'm not 100 percent sure, but I don't think they are. Also, you are probably over thinking the cassette issue. Is there really that much difference between the 11-26 and the 12-25? The 26 will give you a bit more climbing capability and the 11 gives you a bit more downhill speed.Just swap the whole drivetrain. That way you aren't dealing with wear issues.
Since the swap is between shimano 105 and Ultegra, Bottom bracket is not an issue.
My bad. You're right. For some reason, I thought it was going from SRAM to Shimano or vice versa. Next time I'll pay attention.

You did bring up about the similarity of the cassettes. Even if the one was 11-28, it's only the bottom 3 gears or so that are different. The 11-28 has a bit bigger spacing on them, but they both start skipping with the 16. That drives me nuts, as I'd much rather have that gear and have the 3 tooth jump on the last couple.

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