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2006-06-13 9:40 AM

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COURT JESTER
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Subject: Blood Donation

Okay, how far in advance of a race (sprint distance) is it safe to donate blood?   There is a local blood drive today and I have a spint on Saturday.

Thoughts?

Thank you.



2006-06-13 9:48 AM
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Subject: RE: Blood Donation

Have you donated blood before?  If so, how long does it usually take you before you feel completely recovered?

Personally, I wouldn't donate.  But, the day I donate, I'm usually too exhausted to do anything.  And, it usually takes about 3 days before I feel back to normal.  I know for other people it has less of an effect.  The blood donation people have always told me not to exercise that day. 

2006-06-13 9:49 AM
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Subject: RE: Blood Donation

Depends on what you mean by "safe".  I know that's a very vague answer.  It's entirely safe to do if you're talking about your well-being.  However, there is a significant chance that it will negatively affect your performance in your race.

How's that for dodging a yes or no answer?

2006-06-13 10:07 AM
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Subject: RE: Blood Donation

How much do you care about the race? Do you care if you do poorly or are you happy just to finish no matter how slow and painful?

2006-06-13 10:08 AM
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Subject: RE: Blood Donation
I've done longer (for me) swim workouts the next day after a donation as long as the pace stays really easy. Any more intensity, and I'm toast very quickly. I don't think you could expect to do well at a sprint in less than a week after a donation. You might finish all right if you kept your pace strictly in the easy zones but I wouldn't recommend it. Donate next time.
2006-06-13 11:19 AM
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Subject: RE: Blood Donation
DerekL will correct me if I'm wrong...

Typical blood donation is 1 pint, leaving you about 8 pints remaining (give or take). Since they are taking oxygen-carrying red blood cells, you can expect that your remaining blood will deliver approximately 10% less oxygen (since there are 10% fewer red blood cells) for several days after donating. This will lead to quicker fatigue and lower levels of peak performance (maybe not the full 10%). In 8 weeks, your body has fully recovered and you can donate again. I suspect that the recovery isn't a straight line. Your body can replace the volume within 24 hours (drink lots). I'd guess it takes several days to 2 weeks to replace the blood constituents (platelets, white cells, and red cells) and they allow the remaining 6 weeks for your body to recover from the stresses of regenerating all of those constituents.

You can probably "do" the race, but I wouldn't expect to set a PR. (Might also look at the forecast and whether the race may be extremely stressful to the body.)


2006-06-13 11:28 AM
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Subject: RE: Blood Donation
it really depends on how well YOU deal with that stuff. some people pass out. some are dizzy for a day.
me, i used to give blood frequently during high school. i would be fine to play in a basketball game or soccer practice later that evening.

i'm no doctor (but i did stay at a holiday inn last night), but i say ...donate the blood, continue to taper, race your *** off, set a PR, celebrate with a beer.

good luck!
~B
2006-06-13 11:37 AM
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Subject: RE: Blood Donation
Unless there's something special about this donation day, don't do it. If you feel bad, schedule time with your local blood center or heart association next week. They'd be happy to have you come in to their place and take your donation.
2006-06-13 12:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Blood Donation

Even if you are a veteran donar I would wait until after your race, if whole blood.  If you do platelets then the recovery time is much less, so a Sprint 4 days away would be fine with me. I now wait 24 hours after donating before I run, swimming (low intensity) I am fine with the same day.

2006-06-13 3:24 PM
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Subject: RE: Blood Donation
If you donate on a regular or some what regular basis you know how your body reacts to donating.  For me I take donation day off (or exercise before), easy workout the next day then usually back to normal.  Actually now that I think about it I think I recover faster since I started running and tri training.  If you do decide to race listen to your body during the race if you don't feel well slow down or stop, the good news is you know there is at least one pint waiting for you if you need it after the race.
2006-06-13 3:30 PM
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Subject: RE: Blood Donation
itri2 - 2006-06-13 4:24 PM

Actually now that I think about it I think I recover faster since I started running and tri training. 


Yep, your RBCs have become more efficient.


2006-06-13 3:36 PM
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Subject: RE: Blood Donation
Ditto on the above. I was pleased to read the mathematics surrounding Blood Donation and performance decrease. I wish I had that kind of free time to figure this stuff out. If it were me, I would probably wait, unless it was a life or death type situation, then of course I would donate and just have a fun relaxing recovery race. (if there is such a thing) Anyways, blood or no blood, good luck with your upcoming race.
2006-06-13 3:49 PM
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Subject: RE: Blood Donation

McFuzz - 2006-06-13 12:19 PM DerekL will correct me if I'm wrong... Typical blood donation is 1 pint, leaving you about 8 pints remaining (give or take). Since they are taking oxygen-carrying red blood cells, you can expect that your remaining blood will deliver approximately 10% less oxygen (since there are 10% fewer red blood cells) for several days after donating. This will lead to quicker fatigue and lower levels of peak performance (maybe not the full 10%). In 8 weeks, your body has fully recovered and you can donate again. I suspect that the recovery isn't a straight line. Your body can replace the volume within 24 hours (drink lots). I'd guess it takes several days to 2 weeks to replace the blood constituents (platelets, white cells, and red cells) and they allow the remaining 6 weeks for your body to recover from the stresses of regenerating all of those constituents. You can probably "do" the race, but I wouldn't expect to set a PR. (Might also look at the forecast and whether the race may be extremely stressful to the body.)

I have been a blood drive coordinator for my company for 10 years.  A couple of minor clarifications.  The average adult has 10-12 pints of blood and for most people the fluids are replaced within 24 hours.  The Red Cross actually recommends no strenous physical activity for 5 hours after donating.  I normally feel fine and go back to my regular training schedule the day after I donate.  That being said, if someone is even asking the question and is not a regular donor, why not just hold off and donate afterwards?  There are drives every day in a variety of locations (churches, recreation centers, schools, business) in addition to the Red Cross centers so it should be easy to find a place to donate.  One more thing...people can donate whole blood every 56 days, apherisis (platelets only) requires only a three day wait and "double reds" require 112 days.

Probably too much information but this is a cause near and dear to my heart!

2006-08-06 10:14 AM
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Subject: RE: Blood Donation

I donated double red blood cells Thursday, felt fine afterwards, did a tougher than usual spin class the next day, and had two days of tougher than usual runs.  All three seemed fine to start, later on seemed to stress my body more (not a tough mental effort),with lotsa sweat and too warm.  My HR went up later in the workouts and tended to stay up at a normal pace, maybe 5-8 bpm more than usual.  

I tried to identify the reason for feeling this way - the heat, sleep stress, and really had to admit that it was likely the double RBC donation. 

I don't care, since I don't have a race soon, and am sure I'll feel back to normal tomorrow or the next day.  The double red blood cell donation is good for a number of reasons:

  1. You only go 1/2 as often (once every 16 weeks)
  2. The needle is smaller - I barely even feel it
  3. Recipients get exposed to less donors if they can get a double dose from one
  4. They give me more t-shirts

Also, I don't know if the research has proven, but I remember medical hypotheses being knocked about that blood donation could be good for men's cardio health, perhaps by lowering their iron count.  Any doctors out there want to comment on this last one? 

2006-08-06 12:02 PM
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Subject: RE: Blood Donation
Of coarse you could always just donate plasma and keep your platelets or red blood cells. You will have to probably go in to the main headquarters for that.

Sethro Out.
2006-08-06 6:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Blood Donation

Yep.  In general men have too much iron, and it's been linked to oxidative stress that can result in worsening coronary artery disease.

KMac40 - 2006-08-06 10:14 AM

Also, I don't know if the research has proven, but I remember medical hypotheses being knocked about that blood donation could be good for men's cardio health, perhaps by lowering their iron count.  Any doctors out there want to comment on this last one? 



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