Lance makes statement about USADA charges. (Page 5)

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The scariest part of the whole justice system is Prosecutors who use deals with witnesses who are complicit or admitted offenders to go after someone who is the "bigger fish."   How can the system believe that these admitted liars are now honest people?

Additionally, stop spending our tax dollars to chase old ghosts.  Someone should have Tygart removed.

If I am following correctly, this is mostly the stance that the UCI is taking. 

Now "UCI, the sport's governing body, says it wants USADA to "submit to the parties concerned (Mr. Armstrong, WADA and UCI) a reasoned decision explaining the action taken."

I don't think it gets interesting until USADA shows their cards and the various deals they've made to solicit testimony. 

Then I think Lance's lawyers take another crack, and inevitably a Texas senator drags the USADA before Congress (just my prediction).

So Lance is full of crap when he wrote...."Today I turn the page. I will no longer address this issue, regardless of the circumstances." ??

 I look for the link but on ST it was posted.   where the interview with the person leading the Usada, saying that everything will be released even if JB or others simply opt out of the arbitration process.   They want everyone to see the info they had

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Yes, completely full of crap.  From a strategy point of view, he has these things going:

*Gets to see the USADA cards and side deals made and time for his legal team to respond instead of seeing it for the first time in front of a panel.

*UCI fighting for jurisdiction

*Whips up public / political support for him personally and against the USADA

*Time for the USADA to make claims / sanctions they might regret later (see the quote below)

"You are on notice," Armstrong attorney Tim Herman said in a letter, "that if USADA makes any public statement claiming, without jurisdiction, to sanction Mr. Armstrong, or to falsely characterize Mr. Armstrong's reasons for not requesting an arbitration as anything other than a recognition of (International Cycling Union) jurisdiction and authority, USADA and anyone involved in the making of the statement will be liable."

I could give you that same notice about posting on this forum (for example)....it means absolutely nothing. It's just lawyer speak.

Now....I do agree that Lance is full of crap. 

It'll be fun to see what they have against him as evidence.

He failed 2 actually and it was the inadequacies or the help of these very agencies that allowed him to escape being banned.

True on the lawyer speak, but I could see it happening in this case as part of a scorched earth strategy.

I agree, now it's the USADA's turn to show their cards.  If this is over by Christmas, I will be surprised.

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So much talked about in this thread, I can't even pick one to go with...  So I'll just summarize some of my simple thoughts.

• I used to think he was clean, now I figured he had to have doped.   Too much circumstantial evidence.  BUT, he was in the doping era, so he was still the best of the dopers.
• Even if he gets stripped of his TdF wins.  In MY eyes, he still won 7.  I don't need to look it up in the record books.  I know it.
• I think the USADA did have something to prove.  They wanted to land a big fish, no matter what.  Even if it's years later, and I can't figure out what the gain is when they could be chasing down guys racing RIGHT NOW.
• This may sound strange, but I'm not NEARLY as offended he doped considering just about everyone else was as well, as feeling lied to for so many years.  He denied and denied.
• That must be a hard way to live.  Knowing you doped, and having to constanty lie and look over your shoulder day after day, week after week, year after year.  I couldn't sleep.
• Just sucks because even though I still give him credit for the wins, they don't seem as astonishing as they did before this.  This just taints everything.  Just disapointing...
• But honestly, I'm sort of over it as well.  Had this come out years ago, it may have impacted me a lot more.  Now, after all the allegations, and accusations and court cases, it almost seemed inevatable and not surprising.
• His fame brought a lot of attention to Livestrong, who provided a lot of help and free assistance TO ME during annoying little battle.  If we didn't "win" 7?  May not have been as big.  I know the good doesn't erase the bad, but sometimes the ends justify the means.  Not that his "ends" were Livestrong.  It was too win.

Of course there are. 

But we are talking about Lance Armstrong.  It may not be important in the big picture of life, but very few things are, so it's a valid subject worth talking about.

Along these lines, a few weeks ago I was listening to a radio interview with the authors of a book about lying. They were former CIA interrogators who made a study of the kinds of things people say when they're lying, and the kinds of things they say when they're telling the truth.

According to these guys, their system isn't 100% accurate; it's more like a list of "red flags." If you're talking to someone and they have one or two red flags, maybe they could be telling the truth - but if they have a lot of them, it's a very high probability of lying.

They said Lance had a lot of red flags.

One thing is for sure....the doping era...in cycling, baseball, track and field, swimming, whatever.....sure gave us some eye-popping entertainment.  I'm sure it's not over, but there is a much larger public outcry, and far less toleration for it, now that we know what we know. And what we know, based on what we now see in baseball's hitters, and even this year's TdF...is that those eye-popping performances were not real.  The athletes look......well.....human again.

Still.....it was fun to watch, I can't deny it.

And just how exactly do you see that going differently?

I can't remember any other person being hounded from day one for doping like LA was. Good bad or indifferent does not matter... the day he won his first tour everyone was on him because it is impossible to come back from cancer and win a tour...especially if you are a DH Texan. Everyone else seems to get the spotlight over years of speculation. So then he admits it then? His next win? His next win? His next win?... when does he sit down in front of a camera and confess, when he has not failed a test?

You know for a fact if he is doping, then so is everyone. You know he knows every single GC contender is doping... but ya, he sits down in front of a cammera and says he is doping. A guy with at that ime in his life.... EVERYTHING to loose by doing so.

I truly believe he started his foundation to help people. Rich people donate time, money and their name... but this was personal, this he connected to, and he was so inspiring with his wins... if he sits down in front of a camera it is over.

That is the problem with a web of lies... when is it time to call it quits? When do you think Lance should have come clean so you would not feel lied to? And can you tell me you would have done it different... how about all his competition.... did they do it different.... nope... deny deny deny until you have no other choice.

One a side note, this was issued from the 4 time winner of the Tour De France, Jan Ullrich:

"I know how the order was on the finishing line at the time," Ullrich said. "I've finished with my professional career and have always said that I was proud of my second-place finishes."

Speaking as someone living outside of the USA I just think what a waste of your taxpayer dollars!!!

That a$$hole heading up USADA is obviously loving his moment of glory and the end result is that one of America's most inspirational sporting stars gets kicked in the guts and kids all over the world lose a role model. The LA story is pretty amazing with his return from metastatic cancer to elite sporting success. I don't want that story to be ruined - even if it turns out he did dope. There are some things we don't need to dig up, it's a bit like pretending your parents don't have sex when you're a kid, you know it's true but thinking about it spoils your cute cosy family life!

This is symptomatic of modern life where the only winners are lawyers.

Edit to correct spelling...

At this point it looks like he won't be able to participate.