Jorge Plan + BarryP
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2012-12-14 1:02 PM |
Veteran 245 In T1 looking for my Schwinn Huffy | Subject: Jorge Plan + BarryP I thought I'd seen this before, but has anyone come up with a good schedule to combine these two plans (i.e. what would a sample week look like)? Would like to combine the two if possible. Thanks
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2012-12-14 1:31 PM in reply to: #4535637 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Jorge Plan + BarryP One option: Day 1 - Bike / Short Run You could combine day 7 with day 3 and have an off day, if you want. All the running should be easy so you 'save' your legs for the bike workouts. Mix it up however it works best for you. Drop a run, if necessary. |
2012-12-14 1:32 PM in reply to: #4535637 |
Regular 67 | Subject: RE: Jorge Plan + BarryP Is there a link to the Jorge Plan? I am familiar with BarryP (on ST) but can't seem to find Jorge's. I remember it being a cycling off season. This is a good question and I'd like to see other people's responses. |
2012-12-14 2:20 PM in reply to: #4535637 |
Expert 1375 McAllen | Subject: RE: Jorge Plan + BarryP I do a modification of it. I usually do a long run on Monday (same as day#1 workouts) with easy days in between and medium runs stacking on top of Jorge's days. Then Saturday is a long ride mirroring Jorge's plan on the road |
2012-12-14 3:19 PM in reply to: #4535637 |
Veteran 530 | Subject: RE: Jorge Plan + BarryP For the george program, Go to the program tab go to free programs, scroll to the bottom for winter cycling program. Choose hr or power based. Use the buttons to get full details. Actually here is the link to the power based schedule.http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/training/training-plans-view.asp?planid=10919 Edited by mlanahan 2012-12-14 3:23 PM |
2012-12-14 3:44 PM in reply to: #4535637 |
Regular 183 Parker, Colorado | Subject: RE: Jorge Plan + BarryP I followed BarryP during my IM training this year, and the same weekly cycling sessions as the Jorge program, although I picked the ones that I found most effective for me when I did the program in the past. BarryP is 3 short runs, 2 medium runs, 1 long run per week, Jorge's plan is two ~1 hour interval sessions and a long ride per week, with an optional additional interval session, and retesting FTP about once a month and updating intensity as appropriate. I opted to not do the optional interval session this season (12 sessions a week with a 50-hour/week job and family was more than enough). With that, my approach usually was (everthing is in my logs): Mon - Swim, Medium Run (usually hills) Tue - Bike intervals, short run (sometimes bricked) Wed - Bike intervals, medium run (not bricked) Thu - Swim, short run Fri - Long run Sat - Swim, Long Bike Sun - Short Run This year I am going to alternate the Sunday session between a short run and an additional bike interval program. |
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2012-12-15 10:53 AM in reply to: #4535637 |
Member 17 | Subject: RE: Jorge Plan + BarryP I am doing precisely this as a base winter plan. I started with BarryP's plan. Got up to about 27-30 miles a week. 3:6:9 with Monday as my rest day now. I then started Jorge's cycling plan on TrainerRoad 3 weeks ago, which is 3 1 hour interval sessions every other day. I laid those on top of the running on Mon, Wed and Fri. So, now my week looks like this: Mon: Trainer Intervals Tue: 6 Mile run Wed: Trainer Intervals + 3 Mile run Thur: 6 Mile run Fri: Trainer Intervals + 3 Mile Run Sat: 3 Mile Run Sun: 9 Mile Run
Depending on time, I have done bike and 3 milers as bricks or have done one session in the morning and one in the evening. I've just let my work/family schedule dictate how I split those. So far, anyway, this has worked well because I am running all the runs at easy Zone 2 pace. My plan is to turn Sat into a full rest day if I ever feel like I'm getting too much stress or fatigue from both the intervals and running, but haven't done that yet. Last night's neighborhood Christmas party, however, is making me think today may be the first time to put that "rest" notion to the test given how my head feels... |
2012-12-15 12:05 PM in reply to: #4535637 |
Extreme Veteran 391 Torrance, CA | Subject: RE: Jorge Plan + BarryP I'm a firm, firm believer in BarryPs running plan (which I've been doing long before I ever heard about BarryP via my XCountry coach in high school). Short, easy runs are the key and the day of rest is definitely the key. I believe that replacing a rest day with a long bike or whatever is detrimental to the plan and training. I'd combine the two - but make sure to leave the day of rest as a complete day off. |
2012-12-15 1:20 PM in reply to: #4535637 |
Extreme Veteran 612 England | Subject: RE: Jorge Plan + BarryP Ive been doing M - Bike, short run T - Long run W - Bike, short run T - medium run F - Bike, short run S - Long ride, medium run S - off Has been working fine and can fit swimming in on tuesday and thursday aswell (well not anymore because of a hand injury). ETA: All runs have been slow/easy. My focus is on getting faster on the bike, while just maintaining (or slowly rebuilding) run distance. Edited by TriSte 2012-12-15 1:21 PM |
2012-12-16 12:43 PM in reply to: #4536323 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Jorge Plan + BarryP the day of rest is definitely the key. Not really. In fact, Barry would probably be the first to tell you that running every day can be a very good thing. If you are running easy (that's the key), then you should never NEED a day off. |
2012-12-17 1:26 PM in reply to: #4536977 |
Extreme Veteran 391 Torrance, CA | Subject: RE: Jorge Plan + BarryP JohnnyKay - 2012-12-16 12:43 PM the day of rest is definitely the key. Not really. In fact, Barry would probably be the first to tell you that running every day can be a very good thing. If you are running easy (that's the key), then you should never NEED a day off.
I'm assuming it's not just strictly running. Someone can run every day with easy runs without a problem. But when you add in significant bike and swim workouts, the body needs to get a day off. That said - I've always been encouraged to take a day off (even when it was strictly running). |
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2012-12-17 2:46 PM in reply to: #4538270 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Jorge Plan + BarryP I'm assuming it's not just strictly running. Someone can run every day with easy runs without a problem. But when you add in significant bike and swim workouts, the body needs to get a day off. That said - I've always been encouraged to take a day off (even when it was strictly running). If you add in 'appropriate' swim and bike, then the body most certainly does not need a day off every week. Nothing necessarily wrong with running a program that does include a day off on most weeks. But it is rarely ever the 'key' feature. And an equivalent program, that is just as effective, can almost always be structured without a day off. What's best for a specific person? It depends, of course. |
2012-12-17 3:18 PM in reply to: #4535637 |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Jorge Plan + BarryP Recovery is the key. Scheduling in a rest day is one way to get it. A rest day (or day off) can also be a mental thing. Some do better going at it day after day. Others with a day away. Again, it's individual. |
2012-12-17 4:11 PM in reply to: #4538579 |
Expert 1375 McAllen | Subject: RE: Jorge Plan + BarryP brigby1 - 2012-12-17 3:18 PM Recovery is the key. Scheduling in a rest day is one way to get it. A rest day (or day off) can also be a mental thing. Some do better going at it day after day. Others with a day away. Again, it's individual. Agree. I've found I can go hard on my swim workouts on my recovery days and recover just fine. I can't do any hard kicking sets, but I can get in a really challenging high-pace swim. I believe I'm doing "appropriate" biking, layered on to my long and medium runs, then the easy runs I swim. No recovery problems. |