which swim workout is better for increasing speed?
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2013-03-22 8:49 AM |
Extreme Veteran 640 | Subject: which swim workout is better for increasing speed? twice a week I do 2000-2500 yard workouts that are at least 50% drills. longest interval in any of these is 200 yards. for my third workout of the week I have been doing (after a short warmup) a single long set of roughly 2000 yards. it's come to my attention that this may not be the best use of my time and effort if what I want to do is get faster (I seen to be stuck right at 2:00/100y over this long distance). today I decided to get creative and did something different. I did a pyramid of: 100, rest 10s would this workout be better or worse than a simple: 25 x 100, rest 15s between sets |
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2013-03-22 9:06 AM in reply to: #4670116 |
Master 8247 Eugene, Oregon | Subject: RE: which swim workout is better for increasing speed? Probably not what you want to hear but....at 2:00/100 yards, you'd probably see the most gains from improvement in your form. Not sure what drills you're doing or what kind of feedback from a coach you're basing them on, but my guess is there are still major issues with your form that are holding you back, and the drills you're doing aren't solving them, nor are they really helping your conditioning. Is there any chance to have someone take a look at your swim and make suggestions? As for the workouts, both are useful in improving conditioning. The shorter repeats for speed, and the longer ones to build endurance and comfort at swimming at different paces/effort levels. The would be typical of my two shorter weekday workouts. Especially for novice swimmers, I think the occasional long continuous swim is also helpful, to work on endurance and build confidence and a sense of pace. I do wonder if fatigue from the short rest intervals might be causing you to reinforce inefficient habits. If conditioning is the goal, then a shorter rest interval is a good idea. However, if there are major flaws in your form, then taking a bit more rest might help you to focus more on maintaining an efficient stroke throughout, which will ultimately make you faster. One workout I find really useful for the latter goal is a set of 100's (on 2:00 for me, which gives me about 25 seconds of rest) where the first 25 is easy (focusing on form), the second build (starting easy and ending hard), the third another easy (focusing on form again) and the last hard. I choose something specific to focus on, either for the entire workout or a each portion of it, especially during the "easy" part, then try to "hold" that during the other laps. I've definitely noticed an improvement in my ability to maintain a smooth, powerful stroke even when quite fatigued after doing many of these and similar workouts. |
2013-03-22 9:11 AM in reply to: #4670116 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: which swim workout is better for increasing speed? Either is fine but I would drop the 500 out of the pyramid. You could add something like this to make it the same distance. 5 x 50 descend 1-5 on a pace time that gives you ~5-10s rest
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2013-03-22 9:40 AM in reply to: #4670116 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: which swim workout is better for increasing speed? Best for increasing your speed is to do fewer (though perhaps more focused) drills and more hard swimming in your other two workouts. |
2013-03-22 9:43 AM in reply to: #4670146 |
Extreme Veteran 640 | Subject: RE: which swim workout is better for increasing speed? Hot Runner - 2013-03-22 9:06 AM Probably not what you want to hear but....at 2:00/100 yards, you'd probably see the most gains from improvement in your form. Not sure what drills you're doing or what kind of feedback from a coach you're basing them on, but my guess is there are still major issues with your form that are holding you back, and the drills you're doing aren't solving them, nor are they really helping your conditioning. Is there any chance to have someone take a look at your swim and make suggestions? I should note that last year was my first year swimming for sport ever. Up until a couple of months ago I had never done a single drill. I am working with a coach and trying to get some structure around my swimming. |
2013-03-22 10:00 AM in reply to: #4670213 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: which swim workout is better for increasing speed? michael_runs - 2013-03-22 10:43 AM Hot Runner - 2013-03-22 9:06 AM Probably not what you want to hear but....at 2:00/100 yards, you'd probably see the most gains from improvement in your form. Not sure what drills you're doing or what kind of feedback from a coach you're basing them on, but my guess is there are still major issues with your form that are holding you back, and the drills you're doing aren't solving them, nor are they really helping your conditioning. Is there any chance to have someone take a look at your swim and make suggestions? I should note that last year was my first year swimming for sport ever. Up until a couple of months ago I had never done a single drill. I am working with a coach and trying to get some structure around my swimming. Have you asked the coach to help you plan out some effective training? I wouldn't expect them to write out workouts for you if you're just paying them for some stroke work now and then, but they should at least be able to help you with the structure of what to work on. |
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2013-03-22 10:22 AM in reply to: #4670213 |
Elite 4048 Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: which swim workout is better for increasing speed? michael_runs - 2013-03-22 7:43 AM Hot Runner - 2013-03-22 9:06 AM Probably not what you want to hear but....at 2:00/100 yards, you'd probably see the most gains from improvement in your form. Not sure what drills you're doing or what kind of feedback from a coach you're basing them on, but my guess is there are still major issues with your form that are holding you back, and the drills you're doing aren't solving them, nor are they really helping your conditioning. Is there any chance to have someone take a look at your swim and make suggestions? I should note that last year was my first year swimming for sport ever. Up until a couple of months ago I had never done a single drill. I am working with a coach and trying to get some structure around my swimming. Working with a coach? Or an instructor? A coach should be already giving you structured workouts with specific purpose. An instructor teaches you how to swim effectively. They are not necessarily one and the same person (And often aren't). John |
2013-03-22 10:29 AM in reply to: #4670116 |
Extreme Veteran 929 , Kobenhavns Kommune | Subject: RE: which swim workout is better for increasing speed? If your typical workout is 2-2500yd then a main set of 2500yd is too long for speed work. Also, you get way too much rest. For speed work do short(er) intervals, short intervals will have relatively more rest time so don't expect to do the same total as a normal workout. If you can't do repeat sprints then you can do progressive, say 1-3 or 1-4 the first being normal, the 3rd or 4th being max - no easy swimming, and no extra rest after max. Examples of speed sets: 12x25 max leave at :40 - you should have 10-15 sec rest 12x50 progressive 1-4 leave at 1:10 - you should have 5-15 sec rest 4 x ( 100 normal 80-85% 75 hard 85-90% 50 very hard 90-95% 25 max 100% ) 10 sec rest between each interval If you do a short sprint set such as the first, you can follow with a hard set, that is, longer intervals but slower. This is still speed focused, but speed maintained. For example, combine: 12x25 sprint 12x50 progressive 12x100 hard You should run out of juice by the end of the hard set. Or you can do another set with focus on either technique or strength/endurance. |
2013-03-22 10:33 AM in reply to: #4670116 |
Member 51 Dennison, MN | Subject: RE: which swim workout is better for increasing speed? "(I seem to be stuck right at 2:00/100y over this long distance)" If it makes you feel better, I just swam a 1250 and averaged 2:00/100 and I was overjoyed! I'm a pretty new swimmer and just recently have been swimming with a Masters group. Masters makes a HUGE difference as you all know swimming is so technical. I know I will never be able to catch up to the group of high school and college swimmers so my plan is hold my own on the swim and catch them on the run! Good luck! |