New Bike prices opinions wanted?

First of all you should know that you're comparing a discounted slice to a MSRP Shiv.  The MSRP of the Slice is $2450.  So if you're comparing how good a bike is based on it's price...no...the Shiv is not $1400 "better" than the Slice...it's just that deals can be had for that bike where they are harder to come by for the Shiv.

As for which bike you should actually get...I know for most people it's not as simple as looking at value.  It's pretty obvious that the Slice will allow you to buy a lot of other stuff and still cap out at $3k, but sometimes it's best to just ignore price and get the bike you really want.

Assuming both bikes will get you into the ideal aerodynamic position, the difference in frame aerodynamics (between the shiv and the slice) won't matter as much as aero wheels (compared to training wheels), an aero helmet (compared to a road helmet), or good race tires with latex tubes (compared to standard tires and butyl tubes).

Under your criteria, I'd definitely go with the Slice.

I know what you're trying to get at.  Latex is a PITA to install properly and it can be costly if you do it wrong.  That being said, novice bikers "should" be able to easily install their own butyl tubes in case of a flat and be comfortable doing so before even starting to ride.  We all know that isn't true, but it "should" be true.  So theoretically, you really don't need that much bike experience at all to use latex.  Or at least bike experience if you're refering to someone who has ridden a minimum of X miles, or Y years.  You just need to be knowledgeable on how to properly install a tube.  Something a you tube video and a couple hours of practice can take care of.

tough call. i'd say the shiv is slightly better than the slice aero-wise, and i do like that rival groupo over the 105.  however, that is a big cost difference and i'd think the slice with a set of flo's and aero helmet would be more so, and would get you back up the to shiv price point. 

depends what you want from the bike. if you want something that will be a great starting point aerodynamically that you can build onto over several seasons get the shiv, ie add wheels and such later.  if you just want to get the bike and aren't one to get an itch for new toys just get the slice and throw a set of used powertap wheels on it or flo's.

For me, I don't even need to think about it... literally not for a second.  I'd get the Slice, race wheels, race tires/tubes, aero lid, shoes and pedals.  Then smile all the way home knowing that I've got a rocking set up for every race that is undoubtedly faster than the rack Shiv.

Agreed, though, personally for me I'd likely say 105/Rival and leave Apex as an outlier. I think that Apex is better than Tiagra, but not quite as good as 105.  My personal opinion, of course.

i'll x2 that one, however my n=1 experience is that generally the "equivalent" shimano components are sturdier and perform better than the SRAM components.

Seconded.  You'll get more of an aero advantage with trick wheels and helmet than you'll ever get with a frame. 

I'd go with the Slice and the extra goodies if all else is equal. But ultimately, is there one bike that you really "like" more than the other then go that direction. If your heart is set on the Shiv but you would settle for the Slice and the goodies then its a tough call. Get the one that is going to get you out there riding the most and that you will be most satisfied with long term.

A new bike is great motivation! Enjoy.

always get the bike you want over the bike that makes sense if you are deciding between the two... otherwise you will always look at it and wonder what might have been, which starts a nasty cycling of bike selling/buying that ultimately costs more in the end.