A great way to encourage cyclists - NOT!
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2006-07-29 3:16 AM |
Master 1718 Loughborough, England | Subject: A great way to encourage cyclists - NOT! This is what our Transport Minister (or whatever the f*** he is) has proposed: You can read the full article here but is goes on to say that the reason for this is that it would enable law enforcements to catch cyclists who don't obey the law, ie. run red lights etc. So what does everyone think? Edited by dannyhargrave1 2006-07-29 3:26 AM |
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2006-07-29 6:37 AM in reply to: #496797 |
Champion 8903 | Subject: RE: A great way to encourage cyclists - NOT! One word for him: Anarchy
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2006-07-29 8:08 AM in reply to: #496797 |
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2006-07-29 9:31 AM in reply to: #496797 |
Pro 4481 Reston | Subject: RE: A great way to encourage cyclists - NOT! i think he's an idiot. |
2006-07-29 11:09 PM in reply to: #496797 |
Extreme Veteran 493 Bay Area, CA | Subject: RE: A great way to encourage cyclists - NOT! Seems to me that 99% of the time when a cyclist breaks a rule of the road--the red light run when you can't track stand, don't want to clip out, and cars aren't coming, for example--you are only putting yourself at risk. Granted, if you get hit by a car for doing something stupid, you will ruin that driver's day but you won't kill them unlike if it were the other way around. I can think of scenarios where this isn't accurate, but for the most part the crimes are "victimless". Then again, we are bound by the same rules of the road and we should be held accountable. I think a number plate isn't a necessary answer, though. Being stopped by cops when you are caught is enough. Anyone out there get a speeding ticket on your bike??? I'd wear that like a badge of honor. |
2006-07-29 11:25 PM in reply to: #497232 |
Champion 6285 Beautiful Sonoma County | Subject: RE: A great way to encourage cyclists - NOT! Then again, we are bound by the same rules of the road and we should be held accountable. I think a number plate isn't a necessary answer, though. Being stopped by cops when you are caught is enough. Although it bothers me to see cyclist running red lights and not stopping at stop signs, you are right that often they are only endangering themselves. But I agree that numbered plates is rediculous. How would that even work when so many bikes are stolen? |
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2006-07-29 11:37 PM in reply to: #497240 |
Extreme Veteran 493 Bay Area, CA | Subject: RE: A great way to encourage cyclists - NOT! I totally forgot that my driver's mirror was clipped by a bike messenger in SF a couple of weeks ago. I was stopped at a red light and he screamed past me to turn left when I couldn't. Yes, those guys give cyclists a terrible name. Maybe those guys need a "how's my driving" patch on their Timbuktu bags... |
2006-07-30 4:17 AM in reply to: #497232 |
Master 1718 Loughborough, England | Subject: RE: A great way to encourage cyclists - NOT! Mottyl - 2006-07-30 5:09 AM Seems to me that 99% of the time when a cyclist breaks a rule of the road--the red light run when you can't track stand, don't want to clip out, and cars aren't coming, for example--you are only putting yourself at risk. Granted, if you get hit by a car for doing something stupid, you will ruin that driver's day but you won't kill them unlike if it were the other way around. I can think of scenarios where this isn't accurate, but for the most part the crimes are "victimless". I totally agree with this. The only ones that are going to get hurt are the dumb cyclists and when they get knocked off and maybe killed I don't think a visit by the police will do much good! I guess that in the end it comes down to politics, they want to reduce the number of cyclist deaths and this is an easy way of doing it. |
2006-07-30 5:16 AM in reply to: #497263 |
Champion 5183 Wisconsin | Subject: RE: A great way to encourage cyclists - NOT! dannyhargrave1 - 2006-07-30 4:17 AM Mottyl - 2006-07-30 5:09 AM Seems to me that 99% of the time when a cyclist breaks a rule of the road--the red light run when you can't track stand, don't want to clip out, and cars aren't coming, for example--you are only putting yourself at risk. Granted, if you get hit by a car for doing something stupid, you will ruin that driver's day but you won't kill them unlike if it were the other way around. I can think of scenarios where this isn't accurate, but for the most part the crimes are "victimless". I totally agree with this. The only ones that are going to get hurt are the dumb cyclists and when they get knocked off and maybe killed I don't think a visit by the police will do much good! I guess that in the end it comes down to politics, they want to reduce the number of cyclist deaths and this is an easy way of doing it. I completely disagree. When a cyclist breaks a rule which puts her in harms way of a car, most cars will do anything, reflexively, to avoid that cyclist, not thinking at all about the law.... Including hit another car, slamming on the breaks and get rear ended, drive up on a sidewalk (where children could be playing, pedestrians walking...) I was riding with a small group of women on a weekly Trek Store ride, and thsi one woman kept riding WAY wide into the middle of the road. I kept asking her to get over. She would for a minute then pull way wide. An oncoming car came up a slight hill towards us, saw her, and swerved to miss her and ended up in a ditch. Not cool. She kept saying, I guess i am unnatural- I am not afraid of cars! In my head I was saying, (iin my best Napoleon voice,) FREAKIN IDIOT! you don;t need to fear cars when you know they would rather crash then hit you! |
2006-07-30 9:22 AM in reply to: #496797 |
Champion 4902 Ottawa, Ontario | Subject: RE: A great way to encourage cyclists - NOT! "Lycra louts" aside, London Mayor, Ken Livingstone's proposal of tagging bicycles with licence plates is not such a bad idea. Obviously there is a grave issue with cyclists not following the rules of the road in London, which is causing disturbances in the flow of traffic in that city. Cyclists are subject to the same rules of the road as any other vehicle drivers and, therefore, should be penalized when they do break these rules. Some form of external identification would make the task of identifying culprits much easier. |
2006-07-30 10:54 PM in reply to: #496797 |
Expert 655 Denver | Subject: RE: A great way to encourage cyclists - NOT! I think he is an idiot, that being said, cyclists do need to obey the rules of the road as well, remember, cars have a major advantage over us in weight!!! Obey the law for your own safety, even if it means you have to miss breaking 20 mph for your ride!!! |
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2006-07-31 9:19 AM in reply to: #496797 |
Extreme Veteran 596 Worcester, MA | Subject: RE: A great way to encourage cyclists - NOT! I believe in Boston, it is required that bike delivery companies register their employees. I seem to remember that a woman was badly injured / killed while crossing the street one day. They all have #'s on them, but it is for the company to identify the individual, not for someone like you and I. |
2006-07-31 10:44 AM in reply to: #496797 |
Champion 7036 Sarasota, FL | Subject: RE: A great way to encourage cyclists - NOT! A couple of thoughts: I have nothing against registering bikes, particularly if you're riding on public roads. Rather than an actual plate, maybe a registration sticker or decal of some kind. If nothing else, it would help to serve as another means of identification should the worst happen, or (along with the frame serial #) help provide means of identifying a stolen bike. Where I grew up in Indiana, the city had a voluntary registration/license plate program for bikes, where you had to pass a simple written test on the rules of the road for bikes. However you were required to register your bike if you rode to school. The safety patrol would check the bike racks at school: no license = loss of bike privileges until you got one. Both my kids went to the University of Florida and it is very common for cyclists to get speeding or stop sign violation tickets on the Gainesville campus. Just too many pedestrians and cyclists mixing not to have the rules enforced. I hate it when I see riders blowing stop signs or otherwise blatantly violating traffic laws. IMHO this creates animosity among drivers that they then take out on the rest of us.
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2006-07-31 11:42 AM in reply to: #496797 |
Veteran 159 Seattle | Subject: RE: A great way to encourage cyclists - NOT! crazy idea. even if the bikes had plates, the chances someone could even read it in time to get the number would be slim. Even normal motorcycle plates can be hard to read. putting a plate on a bike is only a band-aid for a larger issue. |
2006-07-31 11:48 AM in reply to: #496797 |
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2006-07-31 1:00 PM in reply to: #497232 |
Extreme Veteran 432 Pelzer, SC | Subject: RE: A great way to encourage cyclists - NOT! Mottyl - 2006-07-30 12:09 AM Anyone out there get a speeding ticket on your bike??? I'd wear that like a badge of honor. I was wondering the same thing the other day when I was doing 37 in a 35. Of course it was down hill, but still I was speeding. |
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2006-07-31 5:04 PM in reply to: #496797 |
Master 2231 Des Moines, Iowa | Subject: RE: A great way to encourage cyclists - NOT! I'd like to see how they're going to enforce this.....bikes make pretty good "get-away vehicles" |