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2014-03-04 9:43 AM

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Subject: swim intervals vs. run or bike intervals
I have a question for the more experienced folks around here concerning swim intervals.

I know that swimming is largely about technique and efficiency, and I know I have a ways to go with my technique since I'm a 1:45/100 swimmer (on good days). I find that when i'm trying to do swim intervals that my stroke changes. I feel a lot less efficient in the water, and other than getting winded much faster, I'm not sure my intervals are doing all that much for me. (fwiw, in comparison, I think my run and trainer intervals are helping, and significantly.)

When I'm doing swim intervals, I assume I should continue to focus on good form (which admittedly is a work in progress for me), but what should be changing when doing intervals?

Should I just be increasing my stroke rate? Is that the main difference between intervals and a long 2000m swim?

Just wondering.



2014-03-04 1:09 PM
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Subject: RE: swim intervals vs. run or bike intervals
Originally posted by LarchmontTri

I have a question for the more experienced folks around here concerning swim intervals.

I know that swimming is largely about technique and efficiency, and I know I have a ways to go with my technique since I'm a 1:45/100 swimmer (on good days). I find that when i'm trying to do swim intervals that my stroke changes. I feel a lot less efficient in the water, and other than getting winded much faster, I'm not sure my intervals are doing all that much for me. (fwiw, in comparison, I think my run and trainer intervals are helping, and significantly.)

When I'm doing swim intervals, I assume I should continue to focus on good form (which admittedly is a work in progress for me), but what should be changing when doing intervals?

Should I just be increasing my stroke rate? Is that the main difference between intervals and a long 2000m swim?

Just wondering.




two ways to get faster..

increase stroke rate without losing distance per stroke
increase distance per stroke without lowering rate

in reality people do a combination of those, but the better the swimmer, the less their stroke will shorten as they increase stroke rate.

It's about developing the specific neuromuscular memory & movements to make either of the above happen. If you only increase rate and it's accompanied by feeling less efficient, then you are going too hard. You should be able to fine tune your swim speed in the same way you can shift one gear on a bike or increase the treadmill by .25 mph.

2014-03-04 6:34 PM
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In addition to what Suzanne said, I also emphasize with my athletes to focus equally on effort and form when things start to get tough in the pool, and pay attention to what happens to both your pace and stroke count as you fatigue.  This can provide some clues as to whether it's your form breaking down, or if you're still holding your form together, but unable to maintain your stroke rate.

Generally speaking:

Everyone gets slower when they fatigue.  If your stroke count per length increases, it implies your form is breaking down.  If your stroke count per length stays the same, that means your rate has slowed, which implies it's more of a conditioning issue.

If form breaks down, it's probably time to stop the set, so pause for some more rest before proceeding to avoid instilling bad habits.  If form is holding up, and your stroke rate is slowing, you can squeeze out a couple more intervals to finish the set.

 

2014-03-05 9:48 AM
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Thanks, this is good info!
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