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2015-07-19 12:11 PM

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Subject: Finally getting some balance = finally getting an AG podium
After being cursed with a couple of 4th places (one that was a top 10 OA finish) I finally got the monkey off my back and got a 2nd place AG award. But even better is that my biking is coming up enough to almost balance with the other two sports. It still lags behind, but is making strides. The swim is normally my strongest suit but this one was a bit wacky. It was super short and there was a sandbar in the middle that you had to run over for about 50-80 yards in ankle deep water where I had to stop and put my ankle strap back on (someone pulled it off during the swim) so the swim is an outlier. Man it feels good to get that monkey off my back.



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2015-07-19 12:13 PM
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NICE!!!  Congrats!

2015-07-19 12:27 PM
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That is a nice balance in terms of cat. placing across the whole race, good work.
2015-07-19 4:01 PM
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Subject: RE: Finally getting some balance = finally getting an AG podium
Cool and congrats!

Tried some of the PEDs I see.

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2015-07-19 4:29 PM
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Originally posted by GODAWGS

Cool and congrats!

Tried some of the PEDs I see.


I can tell you one the for certain; the 13 guys and 1 girl that did beat me, most CERTAINLY were juicing.
2015-07-19 7:04 PM
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Congrats! You could have easily gone sub 1 hour though by getting your transitions lower. I would trade my fast transitions for your run pace though any day!


2015-07-19 7:10 PM
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Originally posted by Lupy

Congrats! You could have easily gone sub 1 hour though by getting your transitions lower. I would trade my fast transitions for your run pace though any day!


In my defense T1 included a 0.34 mile run on the beach, that was just to make it to the bike.



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2015-07-19 7:17 PM
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Curious.......what were the swim and bike distances?

2015-07-19 7:20 PM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

Curious.......what were the swim and bike distances?




Officially: 1/4 mile swim, 10 mile bike 3.1 mile run, which was pretty close to what my garmin said. The 0.34 mile transition run was just a happy bonus, especially on loose sand.
2015-07-20 5:37 AM
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Subject: RE: Finally getting some balance = finally getting an AG podium
Originally posted by 3mar

Originally posted by Lupy

Congrats! You could have easily gone sub 1 hour though by getting your transitions lower. I would trade my fast transitions for your run pace though any day!


In my defense T1 included a 0.34 mile run on the beach, that was just to make it to the bike.


If you're serious about placing well, there is no good reason for your transitions to not, at least, be in the top 10% of all short course events you do. Obviously times will vary from event to event but there's time to be gained (unless everyone faster than you was within 10s in T1 and 5s in T2).

Shane

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Originally posted by 3mar

Originally posted by Lupy

Congrats! You could have easily gone sub 1 hour though by getting your transitions lower. I would trade my fast transitions for your run pace though any day!


In my defense T1 included a 0.34 mile run on the beach, that was just to make it to the bike.


If you're serious about placing well, there is no good reason for your transitions to not, at least, be in the top 10% of all short course events you do. Obviously times will vary from event to event but there's time to be gained (unless everyone faster than you was within 10s in T1 and 5s in T2).

Shane


So out of curiosity, I looked at the results and if I had been top 20 in both transitions, I would have knocked 1:15 off my time which would have put me at 8th overall and 1st in my AG. However, that being said, none of the top 30 T1 times was under 13 minutes in the swim. So I think it's obvious that the people running fast in the transition were doing so from swimming easy, however, I see that (although not 1:15) it could definitely help quite a bit. I'll have to work on that.


2015-07-20 8:22 AM
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Originally posted by 3mar

So out of curiosity, I looked at the results and if I had been top 20 in both transitions, I would have knocked 1:15 off my time which would have put me at 8th overall and 1st in my AG. However, that being said, none of the top 30 T1 times was under 13 minutes in the swim. So I think it's obvious that the people running fast in the transition were doing so from swimming easy, however, I see that (although not 1:15) it could definitely help quite a bit. I'll have to work on that.


Yes you should work on transitions if there were people gaining 1:15 on you in transition.

Also, you cannot assume fast transitions come from swimming easy. While that may be the case, IME what is much more likely is that the fast swimmers are not experienced triathletes and not experienced enough at transitions yet. Those with fast transitions, while not the fastest swimmers, are probably swimming hard (for them) but have practiced so that they don't give away aa bunch of time in transition.

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2015-07-20 9:17 AM
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3mar - if you end up liking sprint racing then you HAVE to improve your transitions.  The faster you get in the three disciplines the more important they become.  Once you get toward the pointy end you can win races in transitions.  Sprint racing is a different animal.  The good news is that you will end up with fast transitions across the triathlon distances once you hone your sprint transition.

Like Shane said.....it's likely those fast T1 people with avg. swim times KNEW they could make up some decent time with that longish run to their bike.

2015-07-20 10:15 AM
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I did that race (the International distance, double the Sprint distance)...I've had "normal" T1s in the 0:45 sec range....my time on this one was 3:23!!! Long run through sugar sand.
2015-07-20 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

3mar - if you end up liking sprint racing then you HAVE to improve your transitions.  The faster you get in the three disciplines the more important they become.  Once you get toward the pointy end you can win races in transitions.  Sprint racing is a different animal.  The good news is that you will end up with fast transitions across the triathlon distances once you hone your sprint transition.

Like Shane said.....it's likely those fast T1 people with avg. swim times KNEW they could make up some decent time with that longish run to their bike.

x3 on all of this.  I can't tell you how many times people have outsplit me just for me to take it all back in transition.  Another trend I have noticed.  Usually the only people that beat me in transition are the people that are winning the race overall.

2015-07-20 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by GODAWGS

Cool and congrats!

Tried some of the PEDs I see.


I can tell you one the for certain; the 13 guys and 1 girl that did beat me, most CERTAINLY were juicing.


Congrats again... 2nd out of 28 in your AG is something to be proud of.


2015-07-20 12:35 PM
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2015-07-20 12:42 PM
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congrats! many more to come.

2015-07-20 12:52 PM
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Thanks everyone for the support, and feedback.

So in making translations faster; putting socks on in T1 was a huge time sink. Do people go sans socks in these? Any other T tips?
2015-07-20 1:06 PM
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The only thing that needs to be in your transition, on the ground, is a pair of running shoes.  Your helmet and sunglasses go on your handle bars, your bike shoes stay clipped in. 

Get to your bike, but your helmet on and get running.  Have your sunglasses stuck in your helmet and put them on later when you are moving on the bike.  Get on your bike and get to riding pace before you even think about putting your feet in your shoes.  (no, it doesn't have to be a flying mount, step on the top of your shoe and swing your leg over.....but running in bike shoes is a time suck)  When you come in to T2have your feet already out of your bike shoes, swing your leg over, and get running.  Rack your bike, take your helmet off, put your running shoes on and go.  You should have running shoes with no laces or at the very least quick laces like "yanks" or something similar.

You should practice these techniques over and over until it is second nature.  Every minute is a massive amount of time in a sprint race.



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2015-07-20 1:12 PM
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Do people go sans socks in these? Any other T tips?


Yes, go without socks if you can, especially for a sprint. Train how you race - try to find bike shoes and running shoes that work for you without socks and train that way a bit.

For the Bike: Are your bike shoes already clipped on your bike?...that's another time saver if you practice and do it right. Anything you need for your bike ride should be on your bike (either attached or taped to it) or in your pocket already...You run to your bike, grab it, and go...constantly in motion. If you wear a wetsuit make sure you have lube of some kind to get that thing off in a flash. I put baby powder (liberally) in both of my shoes, so that my bare feet slip in and out easily, even if wet

For the run: Get your feet out of your shoes before you hop off the bike (again, this needs practiced). Make sure you have speed laces on your shoes...no tying laces in a race. Put your racing belt, hat/visor, sunglasses, etc. on as you are running out of transition and onto the course.





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    I always laugh when I see people dragging bags and buckets into transition, overflowing with crap.

    My transition area has my bike with shoes on.  My running shoes, my race belt, and my inhaler.  sometimes I'll put a gel on the ground just in case I dropped mine on the swim.

    its a transition area not a rest area.

     

    Never ever ever ever socks in T1. putting on wet socks takes forever.  If your feet can't handle it sock on in T2, have them pre-rolled up so they slip on quick.

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    Originally posted by dmiller5

    I always laugh when I see people dragging bags and buckets into transition, overflowing with crap.

    My transition area has my bike with shoes on.  My running shoes, my race belt, and my inhaler.  sometimes I'll put a gel on the ground just in case I dropped mine on the swim.

    its a transition area not a rest area.

     

    Never ever ever ever socks in T1. putting on wet socks takes forever.  If your feet can't handle it sock on in T2, have them pre-rolled up so they slip on quick.

    Laugh all you want.........I gots to have my comforts. 

    2015-07-20 1:25 PM
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    Originally posted by 3mar

    Thanks everyone for the support, and feedback.

    So in making translations faster; putting socks on in T1 was a huge time sink. Do people go sans socks in these? Any other T tips?




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    Hey, I have the same saddle!

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