Not your typical swimming/breathing question, I promise
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2006-10-10 7:23 AM |
Veteran 279 Tucson, AZ | Subject: Not your typical swimming/breathing question, I promise OK, so I'm new to swimming. With absolutely no previous experience I took some lessons this summer (June/July). After about 3 months of constant drilling I'm able to actually swim now. It's pretty exciting to be able and jump in and swim. Anyhoo, I struggled with the mechanics of breathing at first, but now I've got it (for the most part). I do bi-lateral breathing on every 3rd stroke and that's working well. The only problem is that by the end of my swim, I have some serious abdominal (gas) pains. And the longer I swim, the more intense they are... like last week, I did 38 laps non-stop and had to make a mad dash to the bathroom when I was finished. Today I swam a mile and it was pretty much the same thing. There's something going on with my breathing because I'm somehow swallowing a bunch of air. I'm breathing/bubbling when my face is in the water and when I turn to breathe, I'm only breathing in (as opposed to trying to exhale and inhale). Has anyone ever experienced anything like this? What the heck am I doing wrong? Man, I'm such a freak... how does a bathroom stop figure into T1 times?? |
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2006-10-10 7:50 AM in reply to: #565227 |
Member 116 | Subject: RE: Not your typical swimming/breathing question, I promise YOU ARE NOT A FREAk. A lot of people get gas pains after long sessions. Myself included. I am interested to see the response... |
2006-10-10 7:50 AM in reply to: #565227 |
Champion 7547 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: Not your typical swimming/breathing question, I promise Obviously, stopping at the porta-john adds to your transition times... You are swallowing air (as you've diagnosed already). How "controlled" are your breathing actions? You should be inhaling and exhaling with smooth, long, actions. (Obviously, breathing in will be somewhat shorter than breathing out.) Can you try burping every few minutes? (It may be that you're just ready to use the bathroom at that time.) |
2006-10-10 8:04 AM in reply to: #565247 |
Veteran 279 Tucson, AZ | Subject: RE: Not your typical swimming/breathing question, I promise McFuzz - 2006-10-10 8:50 AM Obviously, stopping at the porta-john adds to your transition times... You are swallowing air (as you've diagnosed already). How "controlled" are your breathing actions? You should be inhaling and exhaling with smooth, long, actions. (Obviously, breathing in will be somewhat shorter than breathing out.) Can you try burping every few minutes? (It may be that you're just ready to use the bathroom at that time.) Burping would probably help, but it's weird in that I don't even feel this sensation of air buildup until I'm finished. When I'm in the water swimming, I'm fine, but when I get out of the water is when it hits me. I do have a couple theories as to why it's happening... 1) I'm breathing in too much air. When I turn to inhale I'm taking a big gulp of air and it's more than I need and some might be getting left behind (in my gut). 2) I'm restricting myself too much when I exhale (i.e. blowing hard, but kind of pursing my lips to control how fast the air goes out... if that makes any sense). The excess force is pushing air down into my gut. 3) I read somewhere that it's beneficial to give a big exhale just before your face/mouth break the surface before the inhale. The idea is that it forces everything out of the lungs and creates a slight vacuum in the lungs, making it easier to inhale.... I think that was the jist of it anyway. Not sure how this would contribute to the problem though. Beyond that, I don't really have any ideas. #2 seems to be the most likely suspect, but I'm not sure. I tried exhaling in a more relaxed, less restictive way this morning, but found myself getting tired more easily for some reason... of course, it was also during the first 4-5 laps when everything feels awful before I'm really warmed up. |
2006-10-10 9:14 AM in reply to: #565227 |
Expert 1274 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Not your typical swimming/breathing question, I promise I can't offer much help as to why it is happening but I would guess that you are not feeling it until you get out of the water simply because of gravity. In the water, especially being horizontal, the pressure does not build up in a way that you would feel it until you are back on dry land and vertical. That seems to make sense to me but I could just be making it all up, who knows! |
2006-10-10 9:47 AM in reply to: #565332 |
Veteran 279 Tucson, AZ | Subject: RE: Not your typical swimming/breathing question, I promise LukeTX04 - 2006-10-10 10:14 AM I can't offer much help as to why it is happening but I would guess that you are not feeling it until you get out of the water simply because of gravity. In the water, especially being horizontal, the pressure does not build up in a way that you would feel it until you are back on dry land and vertical. That seems to make sense to me but I could just be making it all up, who knows! Yeah, that's my theory as well... of course, all that extra air probably helps keep me balanced! haha |
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2006-10-10 11:09 AM in reply to: #565227 |
Veteran 279 Tucson, AZ | Subject: RE: Not your typical swimming/breathing question, I promise To add to the discussion (or lack thereof)... from my swimming coach: "You are swallowing air - gulping it and it's going into your stomach. Remember that breathing in should be a result of the vaccum that was created when you exhaled and not a muscular effort - imagine laying on your back and breathing easily (no effort), now imagine you are the "big bad wolf" and huff and puff to get the spare ribs dinner inside the door (lot's of effort and a potential for gasping)." So, it sounds like I just need to relax and make sure my inhale isn't too big (or forced). |
2006-10-10 11:52 AM in reply to: #565227 |
Lethbridge, Alberta | Subject: RE: Not your typical swimming/breathing question, I promise I swallowed air when I first started too. Make sure you're stroking slowly enough and rolling over far enough that you have time to inhale without gulping. To stroke more slowly, without sinking, you may have to work more on your balance and form. It's all inter-related. Going faster keeps you higher in the water for easier breathing but takes more air to sustain, especially with weaker form. You have to find the balance that works for you. You may be able to improve your inhale power by consciously using your stomach/ab muscles to pull your diaphragm down as you breath in. In yoga they call it breathing into your stomach, though they don't mean that literally. |
2006-10-10 6:18 PM in reply to: #565227 |
Member 48 | Subject: RE: Not your typical swimming/breathing question, I promise Have you tried NOT doing bilateral breathing? It might be that you are actually holding your breath through more of that sequence than you realize. |
2006-10-10 8:21 PM in reply to: #565227 |
Expert 902 Wylie, TX | Subject: RE: Not your typical swimming/breathing question, I promise I had this exact same problem. After a long swim, I would have to lay down for up to 30 min until I passed enough gas to relieve the problem. The problem resolved after I got better balanced thus not having to work as hard to get a breath. It also helped to only concentrate on the exhale. I would start exhaling as soon as my face entered the water and then just let the inhale happen as naturally as possible. I breathe every other stroke. It will still happen when my schedule is off and I have to eat or pass out before I go swimming. My protien shake was the worse culprit. If I go on an empty stomach, it never happens anymore. Good Luck |
2006-10-10 9:57 PM in reply to: #565227 |
Expert 764 | Subject: RE: Not your typical swimming/breathing question, I promise Take a head-first dive down to the bottom of the deep end and you can pass the air more easily. |
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2006-10-11 7:36 AM in reply to: #565227 |
Extreme Veteran 370 Arnhem | Subject: RE: Not your typical swimming/breathing question, I promise I've been swimming for a year now, and had the exact same problem as you. It realy got me messed up on the bike for my first (and last till now) olympic. I couldn't drink anything. After a year, I've lengthened my swimming training from 30 minutes to one hour and although I still have the problem, it is getting much better. I think I am also more and more relaxed during my swimming, so as suggested, this could be the trick. I used to breath out and in while my head was out of the water. Now as you do, I exhale in the water and just breath in when out. If it's still comming from the breathing, I'll try working on this to see if I can completly solve this issue. Please post again if you also get this sorted out Good luck ! |
2006-10-11 9:25 AM in reply to: #565227 |
123 | Subject: RE: Not your typical swimming/breathing question, I promise Just going to agreee that it sounds like you need to relax more whe you breathe in and out. Also, any sort of cardio activity can "activate" the bowels. I know there have been a lot of post-run and post-bike workouts where I had to find a potty quick! |
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