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I know this subject has been discussed ad nauseum but please, I need your advice. I have my first sprint tri Sunday. I have learned to swim in January and have been improving weekly. My sprint swim is 500m and I have swum double that in the pool. I knew I needed to have open water practice and I did get to the lake last weekend once my wetsuit finally came in. The swim practice was okay--a little unnerving but I handled it. I swam from boat ramp to dock and back about three times--maybe 40 yards each way. I guess knowing all I had to swim was 40 yards each way was what kept me from getting nervous-just like swimming in a 25yard pool eases my mind. Today I went back and swam further in another locatiion (a part of the sprint route) and had a panic attack. There was no end except 500m away. I tried to turn around and swim back to shore instead of finishing up my distance--I planned on swimming about 250m. All I could do was roll onto my back and backstroke very crookedly back to shore. Every time I tried to turn back over and swim again, I couldn't do it. My friends were able to do the swim and were very encouraging but I am so worried about finishing the swim on race day. I didn't know how comforted I was by being able to touch the pool wall every 25 yards during swim practice. I had been looking forward to swimming where there wasn't a wall to interrupt my swimming--how naive I was!

My question to those of you who have been there--what do you tell yourself or what do you do when you are start to panic or do panic to get yourself back to functioning and finishing the swim? I know more open water swim practice is the best way to avoid this problem, but I don't have that option with this first race. I need to know what to do if this happens to me on Sunday. I need some tools. Maybe on race day, there will be some race officials in canoes and just knowing that they are there will ease my mind. Even so, what are some anti-panic techniques? Breathe deeply and slowly in and out and in and out and then what?

Like I said, I turned over on my back and relaxed but couldn't get relaxed enough. As soon as my face went in the water again, aargaahah. I found myself holding my breath under water instead of exhaling--what was that about? I couldn't even tread water--I just flailed and flipped back over onto my back. The whole not-being-able-to-navigate in the right direction freaked me out too. I have worked too hard to not be able to do this race!


2007-05-05 1:43 AM
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I've had a lot of problems swimming in OW, mine has alot to do with motion sickness than scared of OW, but in either case, we're all in bad shape. When I start to get motion sickness, I can't concentrate too well, so I start to panic I might drown. I've had to doggie padding the whole distance in a sprint to DNF by not making a cut off in a IM distance.

I have 4 suggestions which I use and #3 gives me a great relief:

1. The first is to have a "backup" stroke. It seems you have one, which is either backstroke or breaststroke. If you start to panic, I go into breaststroke or side stroke. If I have to stay in that stroke, I will for the whole race. Like I said, I had to doggie paddle the distance once. Thank god that was a sprint distance but it still took me 40 minutes for 400yards.

2. Second, is to start in the back. I already have my own worries and panic, I don't want to worry about other things, like getting accidently hit or kicked, which will make me worry more.

3. Third, because I start in the back, the kayaks are back there. I tell them to watch me because I suck at swimming. And of course they can't be there the whole time, but it's their job to watch us nervous folks.

4. If you have to, hold on to the kayak. Since you told him you suck, he/she will be around. I haven't been in a race where they are not understanding. Also, you can hold on to the bouys. If they are 200m apart, swim to the first one, and then hold on to it and rest or something.

Good luck in your race and try to relax.


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Same thing happened to me last year during my first practice OWS. I freaked out and started hyperventillating (sp?) After that I was extremely scared about doing an OWS triathlon. What I found I had to do was get into the water before my wave just to realx myself. I had to mentally tell myself that this was no different than a pool, just no lanes, it was water just like a pool. I knew I could do it I did it all the time in the pool. After a couple of deep breaths and visualizing how what I was going to do, I placed myself near the back told the lifeguards/kayaks to watch out for me. The horn went off, and I was ok. I got a little anixous but nothing compared to my first OWS. You'll do fine, you now know what to expect from the OWS so relax have fun and smile. My 2 cents.
2007-05-05 5:05 AM
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I panicked in my first race. The alternate stroke idea is great. Dogpaddle until you get your breathing under control and give yourself positive talk about finishing the race. Once you make it out of the water, you've got two good legs to go. The breast stroke and sidesroke both allow better sighting and aren't as panic inducing as having your face in the water in the crawl.

You'll be able to finish, as you won't want to quit in front of everyone, and if your swim is really slow, you'll have a great way to improve your time in the race next year.

Go for it and good luck!
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auto208562 - 2007-05-05 1:43 AMI've had a lot of problems swimming in OW...

Very much agree with auto's post (it's been a while anyways since I've told my 'first triathlon swim' story--it's long, but here it is...):

1. Backup stroke is a great idea. The most important thing about your first tri is FINISHING THE DISTANCE and gaining confidence. My 1st tri (2 years ago) was 708 yds in open water. I was O.K. for the 1st 200 yds. I did the crawl, then had a similar situation--panic attack--once I reached deeper water. Started to breaststroke for a while, that didn't help, so I rolled over on my back and just tried to relax. Didn't do the pull with my arms, just rolled onto my back and barely kicked. I just kept telling myself 'You've trained for this, you can do this.' Tried to mentally relax as much as possible. After my breathing got back to normal, I headed out again, this time using the breaststroke, and was able to cover another 150 yds.

2. Lifeguards/race volunteers/officials are THERE TO HELP YOU. They're not out there 'looking' to disqualify you. At about half-way out, I saw 2 swimmers being pulled into ski boats. Some 'give-up' thoughts started to creep into my head. Cool, I can just give up here and catch a ride back to shore. Then I thought 'I have worked too hard to give up at this point,' so I forged ahead. A lifeguard obviously sensing my fatigue, asked if I was O.K. I nodded yes. He asked 'do you need a rest?' I said yes. Rest yes, but I wasn't going to quit. He motioned for me to swim over. He had a float that he pushed in my direction. I rested with my arms around the float, until my heartrate went down. Kind of like taking a break between swim intervals in the pool, then forged on. You are allowed to rest on ANY flotation device--float, kayak, buoy--as long as you don't make any forward progress using it. I rested one more time at 500 yds, then FINISHED. I was a little embarrassed, but relieved to have finished. There was no reason for me to be embarrassed, though. I had just finished a triathlon swim, which 98% of the general population will NEVER be able to say.

3. Open water swimming gets 'easier.' Your confidence builds. I spent a lot more time doing open water swims. Swimming along the shore in the guarded area, but it built confidence. My next open water swim, I swam 75% using the crawl, and 25% breaststroke. It was in 'shallow' water (12 ft, almost like swimming in the pool at the Y), so the 'freak out' factor was gone. I was actually in 'race mode' for this one. Getting ticked off when people passed me, so I just went that much harder. My last tri (708 yds), I swam the entire distance using the crawl. I knew the lifeguards and floats were there if I needed them, but it was already my goal to swim the entire distance without stopping to rest. I was ELATED!!! A definite accomplishment for me.

4. I felt the key to my last tri was the warm-up. I got out in the water beforehand with a friend, we swam out an easy relaxed 50 yards, out in deep water, and I just treaded water for a while. Realized I wasn't going to drown, and the shore was only 50 yds away. Then I swam back to shore and did that 2 more times. Both times VERY relaxed. Was a HUGE confidence builder.

5. One more tip. Start at the back. Wait for all the 'competitive' folks to run their course, then WALK to the water. Relax. Get your wits about you. Go out SLOW. Concentrate on breathing and form. I use a strategy similar to running a marathon. First 1/3 relaxed. Second 1/3 concentrating on pace, last 1/3 swimming strong.

Good luck. Sorry for the novel. I have no idea why I get so passionate about telling my '1st triathlon' swim story, but there it is. Out on the table. Really, I think I'm just procrastinating before my long run this morning (12 miles), but it starts my TAPER before my marathon in 2 weeks! Whoohoooo!!!

You'll do great. Just relax and know there are backups out there for you. Swim to finish. Eventually you'll swim to RACE!



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For me, barely seeing something is freakier than not seeing it at all.  (That's why they never show a clear shot of the baddie in scary movies).  Before my first OW tri, I spent a lot of time swimming in the pool with my eyes closed, only opening them to sight when my head was above the water.  The OW swim went well - I was accustomed to swimming "blind" so the 1-foot visibility did not bother me so much.


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I'm in my 4th season of doing tris and I still get panicky but it is much better.

1. Back up stroke is key

2. Warm up! This was the key really for me to feel comfortable even today. Don't swim out from the shore like you did, swim along even with the shore in chest deep water. If you need to stand up and in your head you will know you are safe since it is shallow. Do it before your race and do it to start your next ows practice.

Last year first ows, I met other triathletes who are faster than me, we got in and swam across this pond. I get to the other side my friend asks how was it, I answered maybe I should take up bike racing...seriously I had some issues. Going forward I never start and go straight out but equal to the shore to warm up and I say get the hee bee jeebies out. If I warm up after a time I get to that comfortable place and I can just do it.

3. Count your strokes as for me it distracts me. I'd say do 10 before I'd stop, then in time I'd do 20 and finally I could do 100.

4. Before my first longer ows, 1045 yards,  I asked here on BT the same question and was given great advice and support. One thing my coach told me was if I dropped in the water/lake 1045 yards from shore you’d make it to shore. You need to give up the idea of how you will swim it, but do what feels comfortable. I did just that and often share that with folks that are fearful swimming in tris. I did mostly sidestroke, breastroke, dog paddle and I had my private boat escort the whole way. But just starting the swim, finishing it when I was so afraid of even starting was a huge accomplishment sort of had to give up the idea of racing. You can do the same....just get thru it in a way that makes you feel comfortable, for me that meant keeping my head out of the water.

5. For many the tightness of the wetsuit is an issue. Bring your wetsuit to the pool and swim a few times in it there. Just last night the guy in the lane next to me was doing just that.

6. Visualize something that motivates you. I used the swim Dori swim quote from Finding Nemo...actually watched the DVD to get the sound right in my head; for me counting worked better as it took mental work which kept my mind busy from becoming negative or scared. 

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Thanks so much for your suggestions and encouragment.

My back up stroke is not really a good one--just turn on my back and swim/float. I don't do a true backstroke with one hand rowing and then the other. I move them together in sync. I guess it'll do. I'm not good at breaststroke either. I don't know why--takes too much energy maybe. The doggie paddle I can do but it wears me out quickly.

This is a shallow lake supposedly but a couple of times I tried to touch the bottom and couldn't and once I felt icky, creepy mossy something. I'd rather not touch the bottom. I'd feel better knowing the icky bottom where strange creatures lurk is far below my feet. I think this is one of the reasons I couldn't do the breaststroke well--I kept tucking my feet up closer to the surface. (I was told by a resident of the lake resort that there were snakes in the lake and swimming wasn't allowed--when I asked about practicing an OW swim. That info isn't helping my situation at all and it is info Ihaven't shared with my friends I'm training with.)

I thought about going back out today but the race is tomorrow and I have so much other stuff to do today to prepare. I don't know that it would help all that much anyway.

I will be sure to tell the kayakers about my problem.
I love the idea of counting strokes and then stopping to rest.
I will swim to the buoy and grab on and rest (or a kayak).
I'll turn over and float as needed.
I will finish!!
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up4challenges - 2007-05-06 8:21 AM Thanks so much for your suggestions and encouragment. My back up stroke is not really a good one--just turn on my back and swim/float. I don't do a true backstroke with one hand rowing and then the other. I move them together in sync. I guess it'll do. I'm not good at breaststroke either. I don't know why--takes too much energy maybe. The doggie paddle I can do but it wears me out quickly. This is a shallow lake supposedly but a couple of times I tried to touch the bottom and couldn't and once I felt icky, creepy mossy something. I'd rather not touch the bottom. I'd feel better knowing the icky bottom where strange creatures lurk is far below my feet. I think this is one of the reasons I couldn't do the breaststroke well--I kept tucking my feet up closer to the surface. (I was told by a resident of the lake resort that there were snakes in the lake and swimming wasn't allowed--when I asked about practicing an OW swim. That info isn't helping my situation at all and it is info Ihaven't shared with my friends I'm training with.) I thought about going back out today but the race is tomorrow and I have so much other stuff to do today to prepare. I don't know that it would help all that much anyway. I will be sure to tell the kayakers about my problem. I love the idea of counting strokes and then stopping to rest. I will swim to the buoy and grab on and rest (or a kayak). I'll turn over and float as needed. I will finish!!

Wow, I'm glad I checked this one out. Thank you everybody. I feel alot better about switching to back stroke now when I need to. My first sprint is coming up in june and a second with and OWS in july. I have been focusing on my swimming as my running and bike are decent. I still find it funny that as a scuba diver I freak at surface OW...=)

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up4challenges - 2007-05-06 8:21 AM Thanks so much for your suggestions and encouragment. My back up stroke is not really a good one--just turn on my back and swim/float. I don't do a true backstroke with one hand rowing and then the other. I move them together in sync. I guess it'll do. I'm not good at breaststroke either. I don't know why--takes too much energy maybe. The doggie paddle I can do but it wears me out quickly. This is a shallow lake supposedly but a couple of times I tried to touch the bottom and couldn't and once I felt icky, creepy mossy something. I'd rather not touch the bottom. I'd feel better knowing the icky bottom where strange creatures lurk is far below my feet. I think this is one of the reasons I couldn't do the breaststroke well--I kept tucking my feet up closer to the surface. (I was told by a resident of the lake resort that there were snakes in the lake and swimming wasn't allowed--when I asked about practicing an OW swim. That info isn't helping my situation at all and it is info Ihaven't shared with my friends I'm training with.) I thought about going back out today but the race is tomorrow and I have so much other stuff to do today to prepare. I don't know that it would help all that much anyway. I will be sure to tell the kayakers about my problem. I love the idea of counting strokes and then stopping to rest. I will swim to the buoy and grab on and rest (or a kayak). I'll turn over and float as needed. I will finish!!

Wow, I'm glad I checked this one out. Thank you everybody. I feel alot better about switching to back stroke now when I need to. My first sprint is coming up in june and a second with and OWS in july. I have been focusing on my swimming as my running and bike are decent. I still find it funny that as a scuba diver I freak at surface OW...=)

Jayson

I don't know if this was mentioned before, but I highly recommend over-rotating to look the sky. It helps connect you with something other than water. I have had absolutely horrifying experiences in OW and I somehow managed to get through an IM swim with this method. By far, it was the best swim of my life. It slows things down a bit, but my goodness does it calm you down. Plus, you have more time to breathe!

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Try to smile while you're swimming.  It may sound stupid, but it works for me.

 



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i try to dunk my head under water and exhale after jumping in / wading in. something about getting water in my ears and dunking my head before the start seems to help me relax. may be worth a shot.
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I had a panic during my first tri as well and swimming is my strength.  Pool swimming, that is.  Wow, what a scary feeling it is.  For my second race I gave myself two things to focus on (my breathing pattern & staying long & smooth) and after the initial craziness of the start I forced myself to focus on only those 2 things and it calmed me b/c I got into a good rhythm and then I was golden.  So my vote is to find something positive to focus on for the duration of the distance.  If it's stroke related then so much the better b/c it'll help get you through the swim and out to your bike.

Good luck!



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You've gotten some good advice but I'd like to try to give you some general advice about panic.  I volunteer at my local fire department and have take a lot of specialized rescue training including confined space rescue.  Claustrophobia is nothing to cough at I don't believe anyone who says they're not claustrophobic unless they've actually got stuck somewhere and had to get themselves out.  We talked a lot about it in my confined space class because it's something you need to learn to deal with.  The trick to not panicking is pretty simple... don't let yourself get to the point of panic.  Once you do (as you've noticed) it's very hard to recover.  I'm sure you're rolling your eyes as you read this and think, "don't panic, great thanks for the advice..."  but here's what I mean.  You need learn what is causing you to be uncomfortable and correct it BEFORE it becomes an major issue.  Let me give you an example.  Last summer I was on vacation at the beach and decided to get some OWS practice.  I had to swim a decent way offshore to get past the waves and people.  I was trying to bilateral breath because my coach gives me hard time about it but I was getting tired and out of breath so I started breathing on one side.  That made me fell more comfortable for a while.  Then because I was breathing away from shore I started to feel like I was in the middle of the ocean and was starting to get nervous.  I switched sides so I was breathing on the shore side and could see the hotels and beach.  That helped me realize where I was and made me a lot more comfortable. 

I don't know if this will help, but hopefully it does.  Just remember that panic is mostly mental and a snowball effect.  Try to correct the little things when you can before a bunch of little stuff adds up and spirals out of control.

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First of all: You can do this!!!  You will do this!!!

 

My first OWS was in a HIM.  I totally freaked and doggy paddled the entire thing.  Somehow managed to make the cut off, but I was traumatized.  I've been working on it since then and, as someone else mentioned, counting strokes really helps me.  Must confess, I'm still really paranoid but know that it's all in my head.

 

You're going to feel so great when you're done!  It will get easier each time.

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I slow down and try to look down at the bottom of the body of water I'm in...If I see big fish, that probably means bigger fish are around. My pace picks up immediately.

Honestly, slowing down works for me...Control your breathing and your swim stroke and it should occupy the mind and prevent it from wandering too much.

Good luck!



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I've never really been scared in the open water unless there are big enough waves to affect my swimming (i.e. water in the mouth).  I just remember that while I'm a terrible swimmer, I'm an excellent floater!

Especially with a wetsuit its real hard to sink.  Past that I just worry about protecting the face from other swimmers.

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Just tell yourself you will get through the first few hundred yards. It DOES get so much easier after that. Agree that you should start BOP but no matter where I seem to start, the first 100m are a splashhfest. Accept it. realize you will get jostled, bumped etc. Just tell yourself to get past the first stretch and find the slow groove. Whatever stoke works. After 150-200 yards or so, you will actually find the slow groove and some open water to swim in. The kayakers are awesome. Backstroke or even treadwater for a few sec if you must. You will do it. nothing is as sweet as hitting that water exit and knowing you've done the worst of it...and its only X min into the race! Good luck!
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I have my first OWS in a month.  While I'm not a great endurance swimmer and I am slow, I am very comfortable in the water and know that I can breast and side indefinitely, tread water for quite a long time and survival float until I fall asleep.

And I'm still nervous about the freak out moment.

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If you can, try to swim wherever it is that your race is, before the day of the race. Just feeling like you've been in that water before and had your face down and were able to breathe and get into a rhythm will give you a psychological boost.
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so I note your race was about 4 years ago...how did it go?


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I haven't had a panic attack in a race but I do find it hard to get into rhythm sometimes with all the commotion at the start. When I first did open water swims (non-competitve) I panicked a few times when I could no longer see land owing to distance and wave height. For me it really helps to focus on swim form (keeping head down, steady kick) and breathing. I have a 2-2-4 pattern that works for me (I'll do every 3 if I have to, but 2-2-4 gives a little more oxygen). So I focus on counting, and sighting every few rounds of that.  If you really get flustered, exhausted,  or  are struggling in very rough water, it helps to do a few strokes of breaststroke to re-orient yourself (because you can get your head all the way up to breathe/site on the buoy). Finally, if you have swum longer in a pool (advise doing this before the race), keep telling yourself that. I've done 10,000 at one stretch in a pool (youthful nuttiness--not advised!) and sometimes I tell myself in open water, "It'll never be THAT long!"

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BigDH - 2011-03-03 11:46 PM so I note your race was about 4 years ago...how did it go?

 

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