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2007-07-04 6:17 AM

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Subject: Wearing a wetsuit up to 84 degrees - IM LOU
USAT allows the use of wetsuits from 78-84 degrees if you take yourself out of the running for any awards. In the wake of recent triathlon drownings will anyone else wear a wetsuit if the water temps are in this range? I am not going to be worried about awards and will wear a wetsuit under any conditions they allow.


2007-07-04 6:21 AM
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Subject: RE: Wearing a wetsuit up to 84 degrees - IM LOU
Are you serioulsy worried about drowning?
2007-07-04 6:29 AM
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A wetsuit isn't going to keep you from drowning. In fact I would guess in warm water (not really a guess since I've practiced my wetsuit in a pool) that you are going to heat up quick. Not a good start to what is going to be a long day.
2007-07-04 7:11 AM
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Subject: RE: Wearing a wetsuit up to 84 degrees - IM LOU
kblahetka - 2007-07-04 7:29 AM

A wetsuit isn't going to keep you from drowning. In fact I would guess in warm water (not really a guess since I've practiced my wetsuit in a pool) that you are going to heat up quick. Not a good start to what is going to be a long day.


First of all, although swimming smoothly and comfortable is my main objective and drowning is not a major worry, how can you say a wetsuit would not help someone from drowning? A good wetsuit is almost like wearing a life jacket. In a good wetsuit you can almost stand vertical in the water. I will wear a wetsuit in all conditions that are considered safe. Which by USAT standards is 84 degrees or they would not have that rule.

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2007-07-04 7:13 AM
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bryancd - 2007-07-04 7:21 AM

Are you serioulsy worried about drowning?


Who said I was worried about drowning?
2007-07-04 7:18 AM
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2007-07-04 7:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Wearing a wetsuit up to 84 degrees - IM LOU
JeepFleeb - 2007-07-04 8:18 AM

Regardless of the rule, a RD can disallow wetsuits if they choose by submitting a request to USAT.  For IMKY you won't have the option depending on the temperature.  They'll either say everyone can or everyone can't.



Can I ask where that information comes from? A direct response from Steve Meckfessel, the RD from IMLOU on this very question via email:

Q: "Will the race use the USAT guidelines that allow AG athletes to wear wetsuits from 79-84 degrees if they choose to not be eligible for prizes or awards?"

A: "Yes, we adhere to USAT's rule re: wetsuit use."
2007-07-04 8:51 AM
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2007-07-04 9:44 AM
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I just did Buffalo Springs 70.3 and they allowed suits. It really hot in my suit, I slowed my pace to help with any possibility of over heating. I think they said temp was around 78 that day, it definately felt warmer than that. I couldn't imagine using one at 84 degrees
2007-07-04 10:15 AM
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I know anything over 70 degrees or so and Im getting pretty hot in mine. In 84 degrees I probably wouldnt even consider it and would be more concerned with overheating before your days even going then the buoyancy factor
2007-07-04 11:46 AM
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2007-07-04 1:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Wearing a wetsuit up to 84 degrees - IM LOU
BrianSusan - 2007-07-04 7:11 AM

kblahetka - 2007-07-04 7:29 AM

A wetsuit isn't going to keep you from drowning. In fact I would guess in warm water (not really a guess since I've practiced my wetsuit in a pool) that you are going to heat up quick. Not a good start to what is going to be a long day.


First of all, although swimming smoothly and comfortable is my main objective and drowning is not a major worry, how can you say a wetsuit would not help someone from drowning? A good wetsuit is almost like wearing a life jacket. In a good wetsuit you can almost stand vertical in the water. I will wear a wetsuit in all conditions that are considered safe. Which by USAT standards is 84 degrees or they would not have that rule.


Drowning doesn't happen at triathlons due to floation I would guess. I would imagine it happens when someone is struck and takes in too much water into their lungs. There's an old saying that you can drown in a tablespoon of water. A wetsuit won't keep water out of your lungs.

That said I wear mine in just about every race unless I know the water will be warm becuase it does make you sweat heavy if it's warm. If you're doing an IM distance, that could prove to be dangerous later in the race.

Stuff to consider...good luck to you.
2007-07-04 5:27 PM
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jpb0009 - 2007-07-04 8:44 AM I just did Buffalo Springs 70.3 and they allowed suits. It really hot in my suit, I slowed my pace to help with any possibility of over heating. I think they said temp was around 78 that day, it definately felt warmer than that. I couldn't imagine using one at 84 degrees

 

I did BSLT too, and with a full suit and I was over heating half way through the swim.  I was wishing I had a sleeveless!  That was just a horrible feeling and couldn't imagine wearing one in warmer water.   

2007-07-04 5:51 PM
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"Drowning doesn't happen at triathlons due to floation I would guess."

1) The recent drowning at Quarter Max was a non wetsuit legal swim. No report to date mentions the participant being struck but 50 yards from finish went under and did not resurface.

2) No way USAT makes a rule of 84 degrees without evidence that it is safe. (I do understand that for some that would be way uncomfortablly warm, but some of that depends on your effort as well.)

3) A number of "thoughts and opinions" on this post have been stated as fact, and that can have unfortunate consiquesnces for beginners reading forums such as theses. As a matter of fact, reading through the post for a minute I thought I was on Slowtwictch! :-)

4) I hope like heck the water at IM LOU is a lovely 69 degrees!

5) happy training!

6) Steve (IMLOU Race Director) just reconfirmed to me that as an age grouper you have the option of wearing a wetsuit up 84 degrees but you become ineligble for awards if the temp is over 78. ;-)



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2007-07-04 7:12 PM
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In my most recent race (sprint distance), the water temp was 85...it felt fine at first, but after making the first turn it became a real PITA.  I couldn't imagine wearing a wetsuit in water temps in the 80's - potential for overheating seems way too high.

If I was worried about going under, I'd look at purchasing this:

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/article-detail.asp?articleid=980

2007-07-04 7:36 PM
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BrianSusan - 2007-07-04 5:51 PM

"Drowning doesn't happen at triathlons due to floation I would guess."

1) The recent drowning at Quarter Max was a non wetsuit legal swim. No report to date mentions the participant being struck but 50 yards from finish went under and did not resurface.

2) No way USAT makes a rule of 84 degrees without evidence that it is safe. (I do understand that for some that would be way uncomfortablly warm, but some of that depends on your effort as well.)

3) A number of "thoughts and opinions" on this post have been stated as fact, and that can have unfortunate consiquesnces for beginners reading forums such as theses. As a matter of fact, reading through the post for a minute I thought I was on Slowtwictch! :-)

4) I hope like heck the water at IM LOU is a lovely 69 degrees!

5) happy training!

6) Steve (IMLOU Race Director) just reconfirmed to me that as an age grouper you have the option of wearing a wetsuit up 84 degrees but you become ineligble for awards if the temp is over 78. ;-)



Seriously it sounds like you have made up your mind. Good luck on your race.


2007-07-05 10:20 AM
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BrianSusan - 2007-07-04 4:51 PM "Drowning doesn't happen at triathlons due to floation I would guess." 1) The recent drowning at Quarter Max was a non wetsuit legal swim. No report to date mentions the participant being struck but 50 yards from finish went under and did not resurface. 2) No way USAT makes a rule of 84 degrees without evidence that it is safe. (I do understand that for some that would be way uncomfortablly warm, but some of that depends on your effort as well.) 3) A number of "thoughts and opinions" on this post have been stated as fact, and that can have unfortunate consiquesnces for beginners reading forums such as theses. As a matter of fact, reading through the post for a minute I thought I was on Slowtwictch! :-) 4) I hope like heck the water at IM LOU is a lovely 69 degrees! 5) happy training! 6) Steve (IMLOU Race Director) just reconfirmed to me that as an age grouper you have the option of wearing a wetsuit up 84 degrees but you become ineligble for awards if the temp is over 78. ;-)

 

Believe me I want to wear a west suit if they let me in  any race longer than a sprint due to the help of the thickness of the noeprene to get my hips up.  But, after swimming at BSLT and experiencing my body over heating, I would recommend a wet suit without sleeves or a john bib suit.  The only reason I would say this is that I felt horrible for the first 10-15 miles on the bike.  I haven't used either, but I would think one wouldn't over heat as much? 

Good luck at IM LOU!

2007-07-05 10:45 AM
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2.4 miles and 84 degrees in a wetsuit would be a sufferfest....

No way on earth would I wear it....
2007-07-05 10:49 AM
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In an IM mass swim start a wetsuit can help protect your body when people start swimming over you (neoprene on neoprene slides pretty good - skin on skin?) and/or protect you from getting scratched up.  If it was legal I would definitely wear a sleeveless.
2007-07-05 12:51 PM
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I think it would help a bit but I would imagine your trunk makes the most heat.
2007-07-05 1:37 PM
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I did the Mountaineer HIM last weekend and the water temp was 75F. The pros could not wear wetsuits but the rest of us could.

I wore my 2 piece T1 (long sleeve top) and was getting pretty toasty by the end of the swim. I'm not sure that I can go the whole IM Louisville swim if the water is going to be any warmer than this wearing a full wetsuit. I might need to invest in the sleeveless top. I wonder how swimming in just the bibjohn would be? I have done it in the pool and it has not been bad.



2007-07-05 2:03 PM
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I bet with just the bib john it's cooler but feels like haing a pull bouey balance wise.
2007-07-05 10:10 PM
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I have a DeSoto two piece and am thinking about just wearing the bottoms (I think that is what you are talking about...the bibjohn). A friend of mine has done it several times and says it works just fine for him. He's used it in an Ironman and in shorter races. I also have a sleeveless suit but it is more restrictive in the shoulders. I plan to practice with just the bottom sometime within the next two weeks.

2007-07-08 7:43 AM
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I asked Emilio about swimming in just the bibjohn and here is what he said:

".....If it works or not depends on how snug the Bibjohn fits you.  I would recommend you test it in training first.  Many people, including me, have raced in just the Bibjohn quite successfully.  But I invented the Speedtube ..... specifically to be used in warm water races where wetsuits are permitted to keep you from overheating, but to still allow for the speed advantages of the float."

I have practiced a few times in just the bibjohn and it has worked okay. I am going to try a few longer swims in it soon.

2007-07-08 11:15 AM
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Odds are that the IMLOU swim is going to be wetsuit legal anyway, that river (at least as far as I remember) is NEVER warm (of course someone could Google the average temp and prove me wrong). If it is over 78* I would STRONGLY recommend not wearing a wetsuit. If the OP is dead set on wearing one then I guess we should all wave to him in the Medical Tent as we pass.

Seriously, if you are that concerned about swimming 2.4 miles (approx 4400yds) without a wetsuit because you are concerned about drowning, then maybe you should a) spend more time in the pool or b) wait and do and IM race when you are trained properly to complete it safely. 

 

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