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2007-08-28 5:35 PM

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Subject: Swim course distance accuracy - How hard is it??

After a race it's somewhat common to hear comments, sometimes complaints, about the swim being longer or shorter than advertised.

How hard is it for a race director to have a truly accurate swim course? 



2007-08-28 5:52 PM
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Man , I have seen one go from too short one year then way too long the next year. The strong swimmers were griping the first year, the next year the rest of us were not too happy! Do the 305 people out there find GPS reliable in OWS?
2007-08-29 7:57 AM
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I just used my 305 with the zip lock under the cap method for the first time this past Sunday in a race and it measured .52 miles for the 1/2 mile swim course which is dead on. One thing about the 305 is that you can see your (ok, my) zig zag pattern as I tried to stay on course.

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2007-08-29 8:16 AM
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I tried to use my 305 this weekend in my swim, but unfortunately something went wrong and it either didn't start, or it started and then stoped for some reason. When I get back to T1 it wasn't going and was all screwed up so I just left it.

I know at the race I was at this weekend (Buck Creek Sprint) alot of folks were talking about the swim seeming a lot longer than the 750yds that they said it was.
2007-08-29 8:42 AM
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I have used my 305 in 2 races to measure the course.  The first was almost dead on .52 (1/2 mile race) and the other time I did not start it. 

As far as how hard it is to make it exact I would say it is pretty hard.  Even if the course is laid out exact the buoys can move because of currents under the water.  It does not take much to add a hundreds to a triangle.  Plus if when they are making a course, especially a triangle, if the kayak/boat used to make the course does not paddle straight the course could be off.  Remember they don't have lines on the lake floor to direct them.  Also, remember everyone has to do the same course so no one really has an advantage.  The same goes with the bike and run courses.  I have never had a race say 5K an had my watch be exactly 3.11 miles.  It depends on where i run i relation where the course was mapped.

2007-08-29 9:24 AM
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Today there is no excuse.  The local Oly started using a GPS & Jetski's to set the course 2 years ago.  The local spring Sprint they use a pre-measured length of fishing line to setup the 1/3 mile course.


2007-08-29 9:30 AM
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As long as everyone in the race starts at the same place and turns at the same buoy, I don't care. I would guess it is pretty tough to have a dead on swim course, and most people, including me, cannot swim dead-on straight in OWS anyway.

I care more about how I feel afterwards and somewhat about my place in the race than my time or swim pace.
2007-08-29 9:32 AM
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at the ironman uk, i reckon they forgot to add on the 250 meters out to the start..........
2007-08-29 4:48 PM
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eberulf - 2007-08-29 9:30 AM As long as everyone in the race starts at the same place and turns at the same buoy, I don't care. .

In theory, I agree with you.  I don't actually mind if the course is short or long (I prefer long!), but I do want my time per 100 to be accurate.  Without an accurate course my pace time means nothing...  With today's technology, if its is reasonable to expect that a course be accurate (I still don't know if it's a reasonable expectation), it should be accurate!

eberulf - 2007-08-29 9:30 AM I care more about how I feel afterwards and somewhat about my place in the race than my time or swim pace.

As a fairly good swimmer who loses it all on the bike and run, I care a lot about my place and time on the swim.  I even have my family yell out to me my wave place coming out of the water.  Then I have an idea of how quickly and how often I'll be passed during rest of the race!

2007-08-29 4:51 PM
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KebaNYC - 2007-08-29 7:57 AM I just used my 305 with the zip lock under the cap method for the first time this past Sunday in a race and it measured .52 miles for the 1/2 mile swim course which is dead on. One thing about the 305 is that you can see your (ok, my) zig zag pattern as I tried to stay on course. Keba

After future races can you report the course accurace on this thread?

2007-08-29 5:14 PM
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kproudfoot - 2007-08-29 8:42 AM

I have used my 305 in 2 races to measure the course.  The first was almost dead on .52 (1/2 mile race) and the other time I did not start it.    

 Can you post the accuracy of swim course of your future tris, to satisfy my curiosity?  The sample of two in this thread suggests that swim courses are indeed accurate!

kproudfoot - 2007-08-29 8:42 AM

Also, remember everyone has to do the same course so no one really has an advantage.  The same goes with the bike and run courses.  I have never had a race say 5K an had my watch be exactly 3.11 miles.  It depends on where i run i relation where the course was mapped.

I agree that we all compete on the same course so accuracy really matter in the end. 

Personally I haven't had any issues with swim course accuracy as my swim splits always come come out close to my expectation.  What got me thinking, though, was the number of experienced triathletes at Timberman (where my swim split was very close to my expectation) who said they expected to be about 3 min faster, suggesting the course might be about 150 meters off.  If they were right, I swam better than I thought!



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