Easy bike question
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2007-09-18 7:58 PM |
Regular 58 New Minas, Nova Scotia | Subject: Easy bike question We all know about Bikesdirect by now I'm sure. My question, they have two triathlon bikes on there one with Ultegra components ($995) and the other with Dura Ace stuff ($1195). Is it worth the extra money for a relative beginner, or will I not even really notice it? It will be my first tri bike, looking for something cheap. Also, does anyone here actually own one of these bikes? I cant find anyone that does... Thanks guys and gals |
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2007-09-18 8:00 PM in reply to: #970078 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Easy bike question I doubt even the more experienced cyclists out there would be able to tell the difference. Of course that won't stop them from saying they can. |
2007-09-18 8:37 PM in reply to: #970078 |
Expert 1023 Ft Gordon, GA | Subject: RE: Easy bike question For an extra $200 bucks it's worth it in my opinion. I do not understand how they sell their stuff so cheaply. A Dura-Ace groupo along must be over a $1000 normally. How do they do it? |
2007-09-18 8:48 PM in reply to: #970078 |
Member 29 | Subject: RE: Easy bike question I run with ultegra components right now on my bike and haven't had any problems. I have a friend who just replaced his old components with slightly used Dura Ace stuff and loves them. I don't remember what he paid for the used set but I want to say it was definitely over $200. So it's a really good deal IMO if you're not pushing your budget too much. |
2007-09-18 9:21 PM in reply to: #970117 |
Extreme Veteran 490 Michigan | Subject: RE: Easy bike question Karl Hungus - 2007-09-18 9:37 PM For an extra $200 bucks it's worth it in my opinion. I do not understand how they sell their stuff so cheaply. A Dura-Ace groupo along must be over a $1000 normally. How do they do it? The Dura-Ace groupo that you are referring to includes STI shifters, brake calipers, a crank and BB, cassette, and chain. What they are selling to you is a DA mix. Even considering that, it's still dirt cheap! |
2007-09-18 9:44 PM in reply to: #970078 |
Master 2468 Muskego, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Easy bike question I have the Motobecane Ultegra set up that I bought from a LBS that buys their stuff from bikesdirect.com. Awesome bike, awesome set up. At the last Olympic I raced the overall male winner rode the same bike with zipp wheels. The funny thing was the prize for winning was a $3000 frameset. We talked after the race and he loves his bike as much as I do. Before I bought mine I shopped for each individual part on the bike online and selected the lowest price I could find. What I came out with was the components costing more than I spent on the bike not even including the frame. When I asked the bikeshop why they can sell them so cheap he said it was because they buy them in bulk and keep them in a warehouse waiting for them to sell. I felt better about the bike since I found an LBS that sold them. If you buy it from the net I would have a LBS put it together for you so then you have a place where they know you and know your bike. If thats true or not I don't know but i love my bike and for the price I paid I am able to decide if I'm going full bore into this sport or if it's going to be just a past time I enjoy. As of now I've done 2 sprints, 1 olympic with an olympic this sunday. No problems with the bike. If you have anymore specific questions just let me know. |
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2007-09-18 10:14 PM in reply to: #970200 |
Master 1890 Cypress, CA | Subject: RE: Easy bike question papson14 - 2007-09-18 7:44 PM I have the Motobecane Ultegra set up that I bought from a LBS that buys their stuff from bikesdirect.com. Awesome bike, awesome set up. Which one have you got, if I might ask? I've been eyeballing the Sprint, with Ultegra triple and carbon stays. And, how are the stock wheels? |
2007-09-18 10:39 PM in reply to: #970078 |
Master 3019 West Jordan, UT | Subject: RE: Easy bike question For $200 you get carbon cranks and a nicer wheelset. You also get the upgraded Dura Ace Deraileurs and slightly nicer brakes. This is stuff that would probably cost $500+to upgrade later. So, if you have the money, I'd do it. That said, the upgrades will probably only save a few seconds on race day. The nicer wheels are still the same 30mm depth, which isn't super aero anyway. |
2007-09-18 10:43 PM in reply to: #970117 |
Master 3019 West Jordan, UT | Subject: RE: Easy bike question Karl Hungus - 2007-09-18 7:37 PM For an extra $200 bucks it's worth it in my opinion. I do not understand how they sell their stuff so cheaply. A Dura-Ace groupo along must be over a $1000 normally. How do they do it? They use basic frame designs and then use mixes of parts to get the cost down. This is a Tri bike, so they save $300 on the STI by going bar end. Also have you seen their web page? They must have $25 of overhead per month! No shop overhead means they only have to mark up the bikes maybe $100-$150 to turn a nice profit. |
2007-09-19 9:03 AM in reply to: #970078 |
Regular 58 New Minas, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Easy bike question I didnt even know that LBS sold these bikes, I know mine don't anyways. Good idea about bringing it to them though, I know my last bike I set it up, and my friend (a LBS worker) laughed and reset it up. Might as well just skip the laughter and cut out the middle man (me). I also feel better that I know people on the board use these bikes. Thanks guys |
2007-09-19 9:43 AM in reply to: #970080 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Easy bike question the bear - 2007-09-18 9:00 PM I doubt even the more experienced cyclists out there would be able to tell the difference. Of course that won't stop them from saying they can. On this bike (tri bike), no you couldn't, but in a heads up road bike with full Ultegra Sti versus full DA Sti bike, yes, you can, by far. Even a beginner will be able to feel the difference. But for an upgrade in level which is really only the derailleurs you won't be able to tell the difference like this bike, and is probably not worth the extra dough. Especially since you will still need to think about shoes, helmet and other accessories. Your money can go further that way. |
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2007-09-19 9:47 AM in reply to: #970078 |
Regular 58 New Minas, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Easy bike question I've already got the helmet, shoes and pedals. I have a hook up with a Montreal company, Cycle Lambert, I get everything at cost. Its pretty sweet, but now that you mention it, I did want to upgrade my shoes and pedals...hmmmm Completely off topic, but I used to fantisize about cars and motorcycles, now all I can think of are tri-bikes (bike porn as I like to call it). Its a sad time when a 21 year old man would rather go bike riding then test drive cars |
2007-09-19 9:54 AM in reply to: #970555 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Easy bike question TrileteNewb - 2007-09-19 10:47 AM Completely off topic, but I used to fantisize about cars and motorcycles, now all I can think of are tri-bikes (bike porn as I like to call it). Its a sad time when a 21 year old man would rather go bike riding then test drive cars Been there, done that ..... albeit at a later age. My problem was I was a shop service manager/salesmen so I would just order anything new and cool that came out at the trade shows as long as it shaved a few grams off of my bike. Then I REALLY got into cars and was doing double duty buying fast car parts and lighter/faster bike parts. Needless to say it took me about 5 years to dig myself out of the credit card debt ..... |
2007-09-19 11:33 AM in reply to: #970078 |
Master 2202 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Easy bike question Personally, Id rather have a better frame and wheels and cheaper components. |
2007-09-19 11:51 AM in reply to: #970078 |
Veteran 198 | Subject: RE: Easy bike question Time for the pot to call the kettle black. I'm still riding my first ever road bike (A Windsor Bristol - although I did buy wheels from an LBS) and I got it from bikesdirect because it was the cheapest bike I could find. I wasn't sure if I was going to like cycling when I bought it so I figured it was a good idea to go cheap. However, now that I know I love riding I won't be buying another bike from them. Why? Because they are the Walmart of bicycle sales. They have prices that the LBS can't possibly compete with. I don't know about you guys but I really like the LBS. I want them to stick around and the way that they stick around is by selling bikes. So if you have any love at all for the local bike shop then why not support them when its time for a big upgrade? Sure it will cost more but when you buy a bike from an LBS you are paying for more than just a bike. Not only will you most likely be getting the perfect fit as well as tune-ups for life from them but you will be support local business and making it possible for others from your community to make a living doing what they love to do. If everyone out there starts buying online then you're not going to see local shops anymore. They can't make a living just off of inner tube sales. So come on, support the local shop and pay top dollar for that ride. If you don't buy the karma argument then how about this: buying a tri bike from a tri shop that professionally fits you to the bike will increase your time far more than a DA group on a generic carbon frame. Its quite possible that you can get better performance from a crappier bike that fits you than a nice bike that doesn't. *end of soapbox* |
2007-09-19 12:15 PM in reply to: #970817 |
Master 2468 Muskego, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Easy bike question stuartjeff - 2007-09-19 11:51 AM Time for the pot to call the kettle black. I'm still riding my first ever road bike (A Windsor Bristol - although I did buy wheels from an LBS) and I got it from bikesdirect because it was the cheapest bike I could find. I wasn't sure if I was going to like cycling when I bought it so I figured it was a good idea to go cheap. However, now that I know I love riding I won't be buying another bike from them. Why? Because they are the Walmart of bicycle sales. They have prices that the LBS can't possibly compete with. I don't know about you guys but I really like the LBS. I want them to stick around and the way that they stick around is by selling bikes. So if you have any love at all for the local bike shop then why not support them when its time for a big upgrade? Sure it will cost more but when you buy a bike from an LBS you are paying for more than just a bike. Not only will you most likely be getting the perfect fit as well as tune-ups for life from them but you will be support local business and making it possible for others from your community to make a living doing what they love to do. If everyone out there starts buying online then you're not going to see local shops anymore. They can't make a living just off of inner tube sales. So come on, support the local shop and pay top dollar for that ride. If you don't buy the karma argument then how about this: buying a tri bike from a tri shop that professionally fits you to the bike will increase your time far more than a DA group on a generic carbon frame. Its quite possible that you can get better performance from a crappier bike that fits you than a nice bike that doesn't. *end of soapbox*
So what is the difference between the LBS thats sells windsor/motobecane/etc compared to the higher end bikes? Don't they need love too? Since I just got into this sport why should I risk paying "top dollar" before I know if i'm here to stay. Maybe in a year or so you'll find my Motobecane in the classifieds as I try to upgrade to some sweet expensive bike, but for now my cool bike with great components that fits great is enough. As for the other LBS around the Jacksonville/Orange Park area the best stocked shop with the friendliest people have marked up there prices so high it made me sick. $25 for an aero bottle and $28 for the bracket? Profile design single water bottle cage $17. When a shop around the corner sold them for a small percent over cost. I love the LBS but screw them if their going to screw me. Not all LBS are equal no matter how nice they look. |
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2007-09-19 12:18 PM in reply to: #970225 |
Master 2468 Muskego, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Easy bike question tjh - 2007-09-18 10:14 PM papson14 - 2007-09-18 7:44 PM I have the Motobecane Ultegra set up that I bought from a LBS that buys their stuff from bikesdirect.com. Awesome bike, awesome set up. Which one have you got, if I might ask? I've been eyeballing the Sprint, with Ultegra triple and carbon stays. And, how are the stock wheels? I ride the Motobecane Nemesis Ultegra set up. As someone mentioned later the DA setup was probably the better way to go but $100+ shoes, $100+ bottles, cages, tubes, pump....$100+ tri shorts, shirt,......and the entry fees.....I could use the few hundred bones I saved on the ultegra parts to get me even further into the sport. |
2007-09-19 12:25 PM in reply to: #970817 |
Master 1472 | Subject: RE: Easy bike question stuartjeff - 2007-09-19 9:51 AM Time for the pot to call the kettle black. I'm still riding my first ever road bike (A Windsor Bristol - although I did buy wheels from an LBS) and I got it from bikesdirect because it was the cheapest bike I could find. I wasn't sure if I was going to like cycling when I bought it so I figured it was a good idea to go cheap. However, now that I know I love riding I won't be buying another bike from them. Why? Because they are the Walmart of bicycle sales. They have prices that the LBS can't possibly compete with. I don't know about you guys but I really like the LBS. I want them to stick around and the way that they stick around is by selling bikes. So if you have any love at all for the local bike shop then why not support them when its time for a big upgrade? Sure it will cost more but when you buy a bike from an LBS you are paying for more than just a bike. Not only will you most likely be getting the perfect fit as well as tune-ups for life from them but you will be support local business and making it possible for others from your community to make a living doing what they love to do. If everyone out there starts buying online then you're not going to see local shops anymore. They can't make a living just off of inner tube sales. So come on, support the local shop and pay top dollar for that ride. If you don't buy the karma argument then how about this: buying a tri bike from a tri shop that professionally fits you to the bike will increase your time far more than a DA group on a generic carbon frame. Its quite possible that you can get better performance from a crappier bike that fits you than a nice bike that doesn't. *end of soapbox* Well, sure. I would agree, to a degree... When I was looking for my first bike I had a pretty strict budget. I was tempted to buy from LBS for many of the reasons stated but when it boiled down to it I could not find it in me to spend my hard earned money on LESS bike. It did not make sense. I personally did not have the money to spend on "principle". That said, my next purchase could well come from LBS, but I will not settle for less bike or pay more for an equivelant bike just out of priciple. I have a family and look to get the most out of my hard earned dollar. |