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2007-10-02 11:21 AM

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Subject: High BP

Had my annual check-up yesterday, and the doc is worried about my blood pressure.  They had 3 different people check it 5 separate times, and they got something in the range of 150-160 over something (I didn't even hear the "bottom" number after those "tops".  I'm 31 years old, did a marathon, 2 HIMS, and an IM this year, and am tapering for another marathon this weekend, and I have BP issues?  Gotta love genetics! 

Doc wants me to check it at the grocery store a few times over the next couple of weeks, and then regroup.  If it is high, she's probably going to have to put me on meds, since I'm already doing pretty much everything she would otherwise tell me to do.  I have always known heart problems run in my family (both sides--heart attacks and bypass surgeries by the age of 40 are not uncommon, same with congestive heart failure and aneurisms), but I would have thought all this training, all this cardio work would have helped the situation.  I am at a loss, frustrated and a little scared. 

The one other non-pharmaceutical thing that I could try that the doc says helps "some" people would be to completely cut out salt.  How does an endurance athlete do that?? 

Sorry, this might be more of a rant than a question.  I'm just so confused!



Edited by swgtri 2007-10-02 11:22 AM


2007-10-02 12:36 PM
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Sounds like your doc is pretty on top of things.  Multiple elevated resting readings are needed for a diagnosis of hypertension.

Not much you can do about genetics if everything else is optimized.

2007-10-02 2:28 PM
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I've been on bp meds for years. You are very lucky because they call it the silent killer. At least you know. No biggy at all. Just a pain that here we are, doing all this exercise, and we still have it. You and your doctor will experiment with some different medications to see which is the weakest and still works. I got a monitor at the store, but if you do purchase one, make sure you "calibrate" it to see if it is the same reading as your doctor gets.
Really, never fear. Just a fact of genes.
2007-10-02 3:50 PM
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Congratulations!  I'm in about the same boat  

Couple of years ago, I dropped 35# and started exercising.  My cholesterol went from 170 to 150 while my BP stayed right around 140/85.  I checked with a machine at work this morning, and it was 157/97 with a HR of 53 (BP isn't usually that high). 

Eliminating sodium and caffeine allegedly help (I don't add much salt, but I also don't choose "low salt" options, and I'm not ready to give up caffeine). 

I was taking garlic and potassium supplements, and that seemed to have a small impact. 

2007-10-16 10:52 AM
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Subject: RE: High BP--update

Well, after a couple of weeks of repeated checks at the grocery store, I met with my doc yesterday.  Here were my numbers:

10/5: 130/89, 129/88
10/10: 154/92, 138/92
10/12: 120/80 (phlebotomist at blood donation center), 143/96
10/15: 145/94, 134/86, 131/94

Doc has decided to go ahead and treat me for HBP.  She has started me on Labetalol 100mg, twice daily, and would be surprised if we had to increase it.  I talked to her about my concerns regarding effects on training, etc., and she thought this was the best choice (her focus is on family medicine--not sure about her experience with endurance athletes). 

Is there anything I should know about Labetalol, other than what is included in the leaflet that comes with the script?  Any particular concerns I should bring up to my doc?

2007-10-16 1:07 PM
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swgtri - 2007-10-16 10:52 AM

Is there anything I should know about Labetalol, other than what is included in the leaflet that comes with the script?  Any particular concerns I should bring up to my doc?

I probably shouldn't be answering this since I hsve no mdical background, but have been dealing with my own HBP over the past three years. 

A quick google search tells me that Labetalol is a beta blocker, its main effect being to suppress the heart rate.  I was on a beta blocker since I was diognosed (although another one) till recently.  The beta blocker severely limited my training efforts and preformance while I was on it.  Most notably, very soon after I stopped taking it my bike speeds went up 1-2 mph.  At the time I was on both the beta blocker and a calcium channel blocker and now am still on the CCB.

Also Salt: From the time I started training I was on a limited salt diet (~1100-1200 mg per day) I don't think this ever effected me.  I was/am a heavy sweater but have never left salt stains on my workout gear.  I believe that if you limit your salt intake your sweat gets naturally less salty so you don't lose as much during training.  But I'd get a medical opion on that before I'd believe me.

 



2007-10-16 3:37 PM
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Wow.  That is NOT what I'd choose for you at all.  When there are so many other agents out there that can treat hypertension without inhibiting your training, I'm not sure what your doc is thinking.

As always, this is posted with the disclaimer that I'm not your physician and don't know your entire history. 

swgtri - 2007-10-16 10:52 AM

Well, after a couple of weeks of repeated checks at the grocery store, I met with my doc yesterday.  Here were my numbers:

10/5: 130/89, 129/88
10/10: 154/92, 138/92
10/12: 120/80 (phlebotomist at blood donation center), 143/96
10/15: 145/94, 134/86, 131/94

Doc has decided to go ahead and treat me for HBP.  She has started me on Labetalol 100mg, twice daily, and would be surprised if we had to increase it.  I talked to her about my concerns regarding effects on training, etc., and she thought this was the best choice (her focus is on family medicine--not sure about her experience with endurance athletes). 

Is there anything I should know about Labetalol, other than what is included in the leaflet that comes with the script?  Any particular concerns I should bring up to my doc?

2007-10-23 2:56 AM
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I'm with Derek on this one. Disclaimer and all as well. Talk to your doc.
2007-10-23 9:59 AM
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Again, I'm no doctor but have been dealing with HBP myself. Mine is a result of Genetics and weight (been over weight my entire life, but in the last year have made some good lifestyle changes)

I would think an ACE Inhibitor would be a better option in that it does not slow your heart rate, just blocks the body's chemical that constricts your blood vessels, contributing to HBP.

I've been on Lisinopril for about a year. I lost weight and my blood pressure went down, but when I went off of the drug, it went back up (darn genetics) so I ended up on a lower dose, and it looks like I'll be on it. I haven't noticed any adverse effects on my performance. In fact I feel more comfortable while exerting myself.

You shouldn't need to fear it, just make sure you control it in a manner that works for you.
2007-10-24 9:51 AM
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Thanks all for the replies.

Derek/AB,

Are there any particular agents I should ask the doc about, or any questions I should ask?  I already told her about my concerns with being on a beta blocker, given my training/racing--she still thought the labetalol was best.  Should I talk to another doctor?  A specialist?  What kind?

In terms of pertinent medical history:

*the doc also started me on very low dose synthriod at the same time as I started labetalol (a little over a week ago)--TSH was a little high (with a pattern of being a little high or on the high side of normal over the past 4-5 years), and cholesterol was a little high (with a pattern of being a little high since my very first cholesterol test, although my ratio is good). 
*I'm also on claritin. 
*Hubby and I would like to try to start a family in the not too distant future.
*Family history of heart/cardio issues (aunts, uncles, grandparents) ranging from bypass surgeries in the early 40s/50s to aneurisms.  Mother and brother also have been/are being treated for HBP.

2007-10-24 10:46 PM
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well, even aside from the athlete issue, there are still a wide variety of BP agents available. Sure, there are "best starter drugs" for a variety of people (e.g. diabetics, african americans), but there are always tons of options.

For your doctor to say that labetolol is best without being able to articulate it to you in a way that you can in turn articulate it to us means that your doctor is unable to help you understand why she thinks it's best, or maybe she is too lazy or too stubborn or wants to be right. Or that she doesn't understand the role that triathlons play in your life.

Yes there are many times that a beta blocker is the first drug a doc grabs, but honestly, there are a lot of different classes of BP drugs.

I don't treat blood pressure unless my patients are in the middle of a heart attack, a hemmorhagic stroke or suffering from an acute aortic disscection...and in those cases I always reach for a beta blocker. Short of those, I'd think that there is no "right" answer as long as the patient feels comfortable and blood pressure is controlled.

Try this to start with:
http://www.aakp.org/aakp-library/blood-pressure-medications/

or this:
http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=2141


2007-10-25 7:28 AM
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The only thing I can think of as a good reason for the choice is the fact that you want to have children and may become pregnant while taking this medication.  Several other agents that would be better choices in other people become contraindicated in pregnant patients.
2007-10-25 9:28 AM
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My wife was on BP meds after she gave birth to our Daughter, her's was related to the pregnancy and came down to normal after 12 weeks or so, but labetalol is one of the few BP meds that are ok for pregnant/nursing women.
2007-10-25 9:32 AM
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Thank you all for the resources and feedback--very much appreciated!
2007-11-01 12:22 AM
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Beta-blockers reducemaximal aerobic power by on average 7% as a result of the
reduction in maximal heart rate, which is not fully compensated by increases of maximal stroke volume, peripheral oxygen extraction, or both. Furthermore, the time that submaximal exercise can be sustained is reduced by by 20% by cardioselective beta-blockers and
by by 40% by non-selective beta-blockers. Labetalol is a non-selective beta-blocker.

I too am plagued by genetics and started doing triathlons to lose weight and hopefully avoid the need for drug therapy for my blood pressure. The good news I lost and kept off my 20 extra pounds, the bad---my blood pressure did not change much. I started a beta-blocker and was fine on it for quite some time, but the more I trained and "better" (all relative) I got the more I suspected the beta-blocker was impeding my performance to some degree.

An excellent point was made about medications and pregnancy. However, I would share the following with your doctor. I have attached the European Society of Cardiology position statement on recommendations for sports in patients with high blood pressure. It is not copyrighted and available on the web for free. They recommend ACE inhibitors or calcium channel blockers as 1st line for endurance athletes--but remember concerns about pregnancy.

Good luck. Above all make sure your BP is treated and well controlled. Consider buying a home BP monitor as those available in public facilities (i.e. grocery stores) may not be reliable.





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ESC Study Group Position Paper on recommendations for sports in patients with HTN 2005.pdf (84KB - 60 downloads)
2007-11-01 12:25 AM
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P.S. Review your nutritional intake. Make sure you are not taking any herbal products, energy drinks, OTC (over the counter) medications that may have stimulant type properties.


2007-12-01 6:25 AM
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How is the bp now ?...I take Diovan for hbp ( it's an arb II drug )

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