Lance makes statement about USADA charges. (Page 3)

Is that as a pro or even as an AG'er?   I honestly don't know and for some reason think he could compete as an AG'er but I have nothing to back that up.. Just thinking out loud.   yes he is in my AG    

Good point

I just wish the Media would stop saying his titles are stripped...they are not, yet. Will they be? Very likely so, but let's let this play out first. 

This needs to be reposted about now:

Who gets the Tour wins???

1999

Lance Armstrong
Alex Zülle (‘98 busted for EPO)
Fernando Escartín (systematic Festina team doping exposed in ‘04, but he was never busted)
Laurent Dufaux (‘98 busted for EPO)
Ángel Casero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
2000

Lance Armstrong
Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Christophe Moraue (‘98 busted for EPO)
Roberto Heras (‘05 busted for EPO)
2001

Lance Armstrong
Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Andrei Kivilev (dead)
Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
2002

Lance Armstrong
Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Raimondas Rumšas (Suspended in ‘03 for doping)
Santiago Botero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
2003

Lance Armstrong
Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)
Tyler Hamilton (Suspended ‘04 for blood doping)
Haimar Zubeldia
2004

Lance Armstrong
Andreas Kloden (Named in doping case in ‘08)
Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)
Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Jose Azevedo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
2005

Lance Armstrong
Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)
Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Fransico Mancebo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)

That's what I thought.  I didn't think the Europeans had ANY love for the USADA.  A toothless USADA puppy can bark all it wants, but it's not going to inflict any kind of bite.

And for that matter, Lance could still fight out that in a European court which would probably be much more leanient towards him and anti-US.  I wonder if he stills owns his homes in I believe Switzerland?

IMHO...  Just reading and trying to understand the convoluted bureacracy and BS of these "sanctioning bodies", their relationship to the sport, races, and events...  I might do the same thing as Lance.  Say F*** IT!  And walk away from it all.  It sounds like nothing more than a bunch of lawyers trying to confuse anything and everything to keep themselves getting paid.  As an athlete, why would you even consider getting thrown into the pit of a sport with these vipers?  It truly is crazy!

His case has been tried in the court of public opinion as stated in an earlier post. For those who think he is a doper - he is fighting to cover up his guilt, now they can say his withdrawal from the fight is his admission that he doped....it was a no win for him.

His cycling accomplishments aside -There is no denying what he has contributed to the awareness and fight against Cancer and for that alone he should still be given accolades.

This case does not help cycling today or in the past - the image of cycling does not need this press and at some point the powers that be need to focus on improving the image and bury the past in order to change the publics perception of the sport.

All this does is give the uneducated sports talkers on radio and tv a large stick to bash cycling.

Thank you Travis Tygart.  You make the world a much better place.

gsmacleod - 2012-08-24 9:10 AM

Gaarryy - 2012-08-24 11:05 AM Is that as a pro or even as an AG'er?   I honestly don't know and for some reason think he could compete as an AG'er but I have nothing to back that up.. Just thinking out loud.   yes he is in my AG    

Both; although most don't realize it, when you participate in a sport that is a WADA signatory, you are agreeing to abide by the WADA code. Of course, this usually doesn't mean much to age groupers since the chance of being tested is basically zero, however if you had a lifetime WADA ban, you are not allowed to compete. Shane

Wow..Thank you. & great info (both to my question and the other impartial post's on this topic) ...

I guess it's obvious that I'm not reading the fine print when I'm signing up for things    

Statue of limitations doesn't apply, and heresay can get you banned, so we'll have to wait a decade or two.

Yeah, me too.....eyewitness testimony is NOT heresay.

Dear Mr. Tygart, Federal Government, and USADA,  Hey congrats on eventually wearing down an alleged doper through endless persecution after he has retired, way to really clean up the sport.  P.S. - I think there may still be a few dopers actively competing how about you start using your resources to catch them. ~ Signed John Q. Public

Proabably because big name success (doesn't get any bigger than "Armstrong") gets you big recognition which gets you big increases in government funding.  I'm sure money comes into this equation somewhere.  It always does.

I saw a comment on the ESPN article regarding this.  The runner up every year was either busted for doping himself or dropped out of the tour in a subsequent year due to doping allegations. 

And now I see this was covered on page 3 of this thread.

My take is that Tygart had to get the "big fish" for the funding reason discussed above.  Since about 70% of the funding for USADA comes from tax dollars, I have to say that I am PIZZED that my tax dollars were used for this.  I wonder if people who don't pay any taxes ever write and complain that someone elses money is being used in a wasteful manner. 

On another note, how does the USADA have any jurisdiction over The TDF and anything before year 2000?  They didn't exist until the year 2000.

It's all lame.  LA is a schmuck in my opinion, but the process is heavily flawed and I disagree wholeheartedly with this entire issue.

Looks like it's official. 

http://www.usatoday.com/USCP/PNI/Sports/2012-08-24-PNI0824spt-armstrongPNIBrd_ST_U.htm?loc=interstitialskip

1999- 7th Daniele Nardello +17'02"

2000-10th Daniele Nardello  +18'25"

2001- 4th Andrei Kivilev + 9'53"

2002- 6th Jose Azevedo  + 15'44" ( While riding for US Postal)

2003- 5th Haimar Zubeldia  +6'51"

2004- 5th Jose Azevedo +14'30" 

The former felony prosecutor in me, despite my admiration and respect for LA, can't help but feel he avoided what would have been a very embarrassing detailed "laying of cards on the table" from the USADA which would have detailed the use of banned substances.  Part of me wants to believe all that is in Lance's statement and it may all be true, BUT there is no doubt, had all this played out in the "court", he knew what Tygart has, he knows the details of what was coming out and he did this to avoid it all. Like someone "plea bargaining" out in court to avoid all the details.

I still respect and admire him for everything he does/done. The above is just the cynical lawyer in me coming out.