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2008-03-03 3:27 PM

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Subject: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?
Reading around in several place I heard mentions of the Clyds/Athenas going last? Is that always the case, mostly the case or just the one I bumped into?

I'm registered Lady Clyds for an Oly in Aug. I'll probably be one of the slowest ones and If clyds go last I'm not sure I want to be the very last person out there... because I was planning on being in the back of the swim wave to begin with already.

(This is the Chicago Accenture Tri in Aug)

Should I switch to age group?


2008-03-03 4:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?

Depends on the race.  NONE of my races had clydesdales going last.  It was a mass start for men, then women.  Also different starts for the different lenghts.

It doesn't matter when you start for your overall time.  The timing takes that into account.  But if you are worried about being the last one out there, probably doesn't matter too much when you start either.  They send the waves about only a couple minutes apart, so you will still be out there about the same time with everyone else.

BTW - Lady Clyds are "Athenas" in most cases!

As a fellow big person trying to do this sport - I would just stick to the Athena category.  You will be just fine!  If you are the last one, you just get to enjoy the course longer than anyone else!  It's just fine.....

2008-03-03 4:17 PM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?
Thanks I know about Athena's but for some reason this Tri has only a Clydsdale category which includes "lady" clydesdale (they even have 3 weight classes for them!) and doesn't refer to them as Athena. No idea why. (Shrug)

I know that the waves aren't that far apart. I'm fine with being near the back I just didn't want to be THE last one you know?

I'm actually proud to be considered Athena which is why I registered that way (Just have to get out of the way of the very buff muscular ones in the front!) I've come such a long way in my weight loss and this was never something I ever considered possible... so Hell even if I am last that's fine... just rather not be.

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2008-03-03 4:24 PM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?

I've done some races where the Clydes go off first.

Just think, if you come out of the water last, how many people you can pass on the bike.  

Race well and have fun! 

2008-03-03 4:25 PM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?
I have always been included with my AG but race as a clyde.  I am sure some races have their own category though.  As far as timing, the only issue is if you are concerned with making a cutoff.  Generally the cutoff times start when the last leg enters the water so if you are in the last leg you get the exact amount of time.  People who started earlier get a little extra.
2008-03-03 4:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?
I think every race I done had the women go first and the men go last. I think its because us big men rock in the swim and the bike.



2008-03-03 5:34 PM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?
There's no "always..." in triathlon. Race Directors have decretion. It depends on the race. In Colorado a LOT of tri's have pros or Olympic or elite athletes so there's always a wave for them. But other than that it can change from year to year, race to race. I was in a sprint where the Athenas and Clydes went last. That sucked. But normally they're spread out. Sometimes they just put you with your age group and not in an Athena Clyde wave. It depends. Ask the race director. It sounds like - with the three different weight classes - Chicago might be a Clyde/Athena national championship race or something. I've been to one of those. Crazy.
2008-03-04 10:36 AM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?

Most RDs put the Clydes last so there will be enough post-race food to go around.

Cool

2008-03-04 1:58 PM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?
Hah. But aren't the Clyds/Athenas the ones most likely to be on a diet? :P
2008-03-05 7:34 AM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?
IdealMuse - 2008-03-04 2:58 PM

Hah. But aren't the Clyds/Athenas the ones most likely to be on a diet? :P


Sure, PRE-race. Once they hit the finish line, all bets are off.
2008-03-05 10:51 AM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?
I haven't done any races that had Clyde/Athena divisions, but the ones I have done seed the slowest swimmers first. In theory, the race will end sooner that way, because the slowest athletes will be on the course earliest.


2008-03-05 10:57 AM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?
I've had the opposite experience.  Slow guys (i.e., old women) go last.  Figure it's because we need the kayaks more!
2008-03-05 2:28 PM
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The last two Triathlons have had a a time trial like start for the swim where everyone goes off individually 10 seconds apart. You were postioned by what you estimated would be your swim time so it didn't if you were a clyd/Athena. In my opinion, this is much better way of starting the swwim then doing mass starts or even waves.
2008-03-06 11:09 AM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?

  It seems like the bigger races have the older AGs go first (being in the 45-49 group this is my prefered set up) and the clydes/athenas go off closer to the end.  In the smaller, local fund raising tris it seems the younger/faster AGs go first. Usually in those races, there isn't an athena option.  I have never raced as an athena b/c of the late start.  In one race I did last summer there were still
waves starting 30 mins after my start. 
  I tend to be a mid to back of the pack swimmer, and yes, I love having lots of people to pass on the bike.  Of course, they all end up passing me on the run!!! 

 

2008-03-07 7:49 AM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?

It depends on the race like everyone else said.  You have until August to prep.  That is a huge amount of time.  Getting off the couch now puts you in front of everyone that hasn't yet.  Somewhere in the world some woman isn't training when you are and when you race you will beat her.  You should consider the BT 20 week to OLY training plan to help you out.

I recommend planning on getting to MOP swim so you never have to sweat it Laughing

2008-03-07 4:58 PM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?
Thanks everyone.

I know I have a bit of time. I have been "off the couch" as you say for the last 10 months and I've come a long long way. I actually already have planned to start the Oly Run focused 20 week plan, but it's too early yet... so I'm still base building. I think as long as I keep progressing forward I'll be fine. I have no fears about the Danskin one in June but the Chicago Tri just seems so much more intimidating.

I mean even if I was last for some reason... it's not the end of the world. I'm only in there to finish it, and having lost 90lbs so far it's nothing I could have even dreamed of doing a year ago.



2008-03-08 4:44 PM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?

I think the idea of putting the faster people up front and slower people in the back is safty  - less passing and "breaking though" mobs on the swim, and less passing on the bike. 

But O is right - there is not "always" in Tri....

2008-03-09 7:24 AM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?
bootygirl - 2008-03-08 5:44 PM

I think the idea of putting the faster people up front and slower people in the back is safty  - less passing and "breaking though" mobs on the swim, and less passing on the bike. 

But O is right - there is not "always" in Tri....



Why is it assumed we are slow swimmers? Or slow on the bike?
2008-03-10 8:24 PM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?

IdealMuse - 2008-03-03 1:27 PM Reading around in several place I heard mentions of the Clyds/Athenas going last? Is that always the case, mostly the case or just the one I bumped into? I'm registered Lady Clyds for an Oly in Aug. I'll probably be one of the slowest ones and If clyds go last I'm not sure I want to be the very last person out there... because I was planning on being in the back of the swim wave to begin with already. (This is the Chicago Accenture Tri in Aug) Should I switch to age group?
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If you are the last out there so WHAT?  Who is going to care?  Run your own race, register where you want - let other people worry about themselves.

I've been last in more than one race, and honestly, it's not that big of a deal - except that people cheer you a lot cause you're the slowest -  I'm not kidding.

I've even been last, and then got 1st place Athena.  I display that plaque with PRIDE, just so stoked that I got a medal... 

2008-03-10 11:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?
It's not so much being last as not really wanting to be out there alone.

Honestly I don't care if I'm last really.

I'm doing a sprint in July that I have total comfort in but the Oly is a big step.
2008-03-18 10:07 AM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?

IdealMuse - 2008-03-10 9:54 PM It's not so much being last as not really wanting to be out there alone. Honestly I don't care if I'm last really. I'm doing a sprint in July that I have total comfort in but the Oly is a big step.

I hear you on the comfort level thing.  Oly is a big step.  But there will be a range of all abilities out on the course.

And... well, you mostly won't be alone (even if you are last) except towards the end of the run.  Check the course.  If it's out and back, you'll still see everybody coming and going.

If you can hold a bike pace of about 14+ and a run pace of 12 min, you'll be pretty close to the group.  I've always been ok on the bike mostly (although coming in towards the end) it's the run where I end up alone, as my running really sucks.  I think about a 14-15 min mile for my last Oly.   

You know you could always check the results from last year to see how long it took the last place people.  Then you should have a better idea of where you'd really be at in the race. 



2008-03-18 12:27 PM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?
Thanks Cad -

I'm not sure of my times yet because I haven't done any bricks yet. I'm not sure how much I will slow due to exhaustion.

Separately I'm doing almost about a 12:00 mile, (run7/walk2) about 15mph on the indoor bike at 90rpms (but might be faster on the road bike once I pick it up from the LBS) and I'm really crap at the swim. It took me an hour yesterday to do a mile. (eek) I'll probably be the last out of the water trying to make up time on the bike.

I have 5 months to improve and pull it all together though so we will see. It's just about finishing for me and doing something I never dreamed possible.

Would be cool to do it under 4hrs though.
2008-03-19 8:21 AM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?

My fastest Oly ever was 3:56.  Extremely proud of that, as I trained a LOT.  The run was what killed me, I am a slow, slow runner.

Get your bike ASAP and get outside, riding on the road is a lot different than on a stationary bike.  Of course, it's better than nothing, but not the same.

As far as swimming, have you looked at any of the stuff online for TI or drills?  I'd suggest not just pounding out laps in the pool but like doing say a 100 warmup then 100 of a drill, then 100 swim, focusing on what you just drilled on, and repeat.  Swimming is so much about technique and good form that it's worthwhile to put some serious time into the drill/swim routine. 

2008-03-19 1:37 PM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?
Yeah, I've been taking a class that does tons of TI type drills, but it was only a 5 week class and ends next week. I've already improved quite a bit but obviously not enough. Was toying with finding another class when this one is over, but I've spent so much on Tri stuff already it's kinda hard to justify.

Bike is supposed to be ready Friday. So with luck I'll be out there this weekend learning to handle the road bike (used to a MTB)

3:56 is awesome!
2008-03-21 8:24 PM
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Subject: RE: Do Clyd/Athena's always go last?

In the races I usually do, whether I go Athena or race Age Group, we still go last.  The RD groups Athena and 35+ women in the same wave.

I'm doomed to be last.  I've gotten used to it.   

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