Swim breathing frequency. (Page 3)
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2009-01-28 5:10 AM in reply to: #1918474 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Swim breathing frequency. I just read through this whole thread and thought I'd offer my opinion (completely unscientific, based solely on my personal experience and observations).
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2009-01-28 8:46 AM in reply to: #1921861 |
Master 1651 Breckenridge, CO | Subject: RE: Swim breathing frequency. jsklarz - 2009-01-22 4:00 AM Living in reduced oxygen all the time like I do (9600') the effects are spectacular at sea level for the first few days. I literally cannot push my muscles hard enough to get out of breath. But the effect wears off very quickly. After a couple days it becomes obvious that you're adjusting and then in about two weeks the advantage appears to be gone. |
2009-01-28 8:59 AM in reply to: #1933036 |
Master 1651 Breckenridge, CO | Subject: RE: Swim breathing frequency. axteraa - 2009-01-28 4:10 AM Personally, I think it's important to be *capable* of breathing on both sides in case the need arises due to circumstances/conditions I agree with you and everything else said above about why bilateral breathing is ideal. I can't breathe left because of an old football neck injury. I'd think one of the biggest problems with only breathing on one side is that it becomes difficult to swim a straight line with no visibility. I've been doing it so long I can swim 25y with my eyes closed and not hit a rope but I bet I'm in a small minority. |
2009-02-04 2:34 PM in reply to: #1933238 |
Champion 4835 Eat Cheese or Die | Subject: RE: Swim breathing frequency. Had an interesting swim today. My main set today was 3x400 each 400 hundred at a harder RPE. I swam the first 400 fairly easily breathing every 4th stroke. The 2nd 400 breathing every 3rd stroke and definitely felt like I was working harder. The 3rd 400 swam breathing every other stroke. MS 1200 yards: 3 x 400, 1st RPE 3 - 7:56 1:59/100 2nd RPE 4 - 7.59 2:00/100 3rd RPE 5 - 7:34 1:53/100 So my take on all this is that I swim more efficiently breathing every 4th stroke vs every third. After finishing my last set I did not feel any more fatigued then after the second set. So I think that if I am going to up my effort I might as well up it a bit more and breath every other stroke. If I back off, I should back off enough that I can swim breathing every 4th stroke. The middle ground doesn't work for me. I felt like I was swimming faster breathing every 3rd vs every 4th and was shocked when I finished the set and looked at my watch. I don't think fatigue had anything to do with my middle set being slower the the first. I only warmed up for 300 yards before doing my first set f the main and I generally don't really feel warmed up until after 500 or 750 yards. One thing I think contributes to this is that I am not as good breathing on my left. I thought I was so I haven't practiced it as much because the right is more natural. I'm going to work on breathing on the left more so I don't lose as much time when I do it. I also have some things to apply to racing. First I'm going to warm up by doing the full sprint distance swim at a relaxed pace even for a sprint race. Second, when I need to back off of my hard effort, I back all the way off to a pace which allows me to breath every fourth. Every third isn't worth it. Edited by graceful_dave 2009-02-04 2:38 PM |
2009-02-04 3:08 PM in reply to: #1918474 |
Expert 798 Kewaunee, WI | Subject: RE: Swim breathing frequency. I breath every 3 strokes because I need more oxygen. If I try for every 4th I am gasping for air. No matter how much I try to increase my lung capacity, I can't seem to do so. It is what it is. It sucks, basically. I watch many people swim at the Y. I am one of the only people who breath every third stroke. Most people breath every other stroke. I can definitely swim faster if I breath every other stroke. My time in the pool is training, not racing. So I save my every other breathing for races. The adrenaline starts pumping and I need as much O2 as possible. But!!! Learning how to breath on both sides of my body is very valuable in OWS for all the reasons mentioned previously. |
2009-02-04 3:26 PM in reply to: #1945637 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Swim breathing frequency. graceful_dave - 2009-02-04 3:34 PM My main set today was 3x400 each 400 hundred at a harder RPE. I swam the first 400 fairly easily breathing every 4th stroke. The 2nd 400 breathing every 3rd stroke and definitely felt like I was working harder. The 3rd 400 swam breathing every other stroke. MS 1200 yards: 3 x 400, 1st RPE 3 - 7:56 1:59/100 2nd RPE 4 - 7.59 2:00/100 3rd RPE 5 - 7:34 1:53/100 So I'm getting something wrong here? Were you suppsed to do descending 400's (1st easy, 2nd harder, 3rd hardest)? If that was the case, then you should have gone down each interval. Or are you saying you were supposed to be doing increased effort only? Increased effort should mean decreased times. Something seems off ....... |
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2009-02-04 5:14 PM in reply to: #1918474 |
Master 1324 Rochester, NY | Subject: RE: Swim breathing frequency. One "solution" to this lack of air problem when breathing every 3, but still maintains bi-lateral stroke, is to breath 5/2. It works like this: 2-stroke Left, 2-stroke Left, 3-stroke right, 2-stroke right, 3-stroke left, 2-stroke left, 3-stroke right........ This allows you several things: 1) Get more air than a pure 3-stroke pattern. 2) still work equally on both sides (bi-lateral). and 3) gives experience repeating on the same side. I find it much easier to maintain this pattern than a 3-stroke one. |
2009-02-04 5:24 PM in reply to: #1920190 |
Elite 3471 Evergreen, CO | Subject: RE: Swim breathing frequency. When I do a B2 I will breath on my left going down the pool and my right on the way back. I just started doing this too. It's also easier to notice which side is weaker and work on improving it when I'm breathing to the same side for a full length. I've been in races where it's been important to be able to breathe to both sides because of wind and waves. Edited by skarl 2009-02-04 5:26 PM |
2009-02-04 5:43 PM in reply to: #1921325 |
Subject: RE: Swim breathing frequency. tkd.teacher - 2009-01-21 7:30 PM When doing instruction, I advocate people trying to find a rhythm by counting for the exhale. The tendency of a beginner is to hold their breath, then all of sudden realize they need to breath, exhale short and forcefully and then gulp some air and start over, then they wonder why they get out of breath so soon. I have them count "IN, out, two, three, four, five , IN, out, two...." (The in is emphasized since you do need to breath in in a quicker fashion than biking/running) John
Yup, I was doing that, getting better now. Personally, I am just trying different things, so I can stop thinking about it and worry about getting farther and faster. Joe |
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