Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns.
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2011-05-09 12:53 AM |
Regular 1893 Las Vegas, NV | Subject: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. When I go to the gym, I do around 400 calories an hour for cardio. I have about 28 more lbs I want to lose (I'm 143 lbs and 5'4"), so I'm at a 500 cal a day deficit right now to be at 115 lbs by Oct 15th. 1000 deficit is not working for me anymore at this weight so I can wait it out at 500.
But for example for swimming I take about a minute per 25. Based on weight, someone going a minute per 50 would burn 500 calories an hour so I guess for me that'd be 250 calories since I'm going half the distance? Running is the only decent one at around 100 calories per mile, but for most training programs you'll be starting at 1-3 miles per training session. And of course you burn calories at rest (around 75 for me) so you subtract that, so it's about 175 calories burned an hour swimming, 300 calories an hour biking. I calculate 1600 calories per day for me base so that's 1100 I can eat + calories burned. If I only swim that day for an hour that's 1300 calories... not enough. I like to eat 1600 calories a day at least and so I'd need a bike ride or something so I'd have to double up every day for workouts. I'm just disappointed at how little calories. Edited by GatorDeb 2011-05-09 12:55 AM |
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2011-05-09 1:48 AM in reply to: #3488574 |
Extreme Veteran 845 Springfield, OH | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. Gain 100 pounds and you'll burn a lot more calories from s/b/r. |
2011-05-09 3:12 AM in reply to: #3488574 |
Veteran 486 Newcastle, England | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. Train for an Ironman ... you soon start burning pleanty of calories |
2011-05-09 5:34 AM in reply to: #3488574 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. A couple of things.... First, how are you calculating your calories (both calories burned and calories consumed)? I think your estimate for swimming may be off... Second, if you feel you're not burning enough calories following your triathlon training plan, there's no rule that says you can't add more calorie burning activities to your routine. If your primary goal is weight loss, then do what you need to do to reach that goal. Of course, you don't want to risk injury, so while you're building up your s/b/r endurance, consider adding some extra low impact activity to your schedule, like walking, or, as you said, double up your training sessions from time to time - swim in the morning and bike in the evening, for example. |
2011-05-09 5:39 AM in reply to: #3488574 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. "How little calories" compared to what? Sitting on the couch? I would wager the calories burned swimming, biking and running are at least equal to your "cardio at the gym" if you perform them at equal intensities. Your example of biking at 10mph, for instance, is casual cruising and a lot less intense than most triathletes would do for a low intensity training ride (e.g., Zone 2). Edited by the bear 2011-05-09 6:06 AM |
2011-05-09 5:41 AM in reply to: #3488574 |
Expert 1066 Raleigh | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. Run more, ride faster, swim harder, eat less |
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2011-05-09 5:50 AM in reply to: #3488574 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. Last Fall when you posted quite a bit here on BT didn't you get an over use injury? Sometimes our goals to get to xxx weight by zzz date aren't realistic or positive for us. If you enjoy the tri lifestyle, pick a doable plan so you can train consistently, stay healthy and get to your goal races or century well trained. I wouldn't add to run times/volume of plan but you could ride more as that is something that is low impact and will help you reach your century goal. Plus the more you ride you will get faster. |
2011-05-09 6:09 AM in reply to: #3488574 |
Regular 1893 Las Vegas, NV | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. Kathy, I didn't get an overuse injury. From the first day I took up running I have had Achilles Heel pain that never goes away, but it wasn't like I ran and then it started. From the first day I ran I've had the same pain with the same intensity.
I guess the real problem is I'm not at the level right now to burn as many calories SBRing as I do at the gym ha I guess I'll have to build up to that. I found at 1k deficit I wasn't getting anywhere anymore, so that's I dropped it to 500, takes longer but 10/15 will get here eventually. Edited by GatorDeb 2011-05-09 6:18 AM |
2011-05-09 6:23 AM in reply to: #3488638 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. GatorDeb - 2011-05-09 8:09 AM I found at 1k deficit I wasn't getting anywhere anymore, so that's I dropped it to 500, takes longer but 10/15 will get here eventually. While there are others who will disagree, the literature would suggest that if you were truly running a 1k deficit, you would be losing weight. If you were aiming for that level and not making it because you didn't have enough energy to complete your workouts, then that is another story but you will lose weight with a 1k deficit (down to a low percentage body fat). If you want to burn more calories, then include other activities or if you want to stick to the tri sports, then I would suggest riding as much as you can fit in (which fits well with your century training). Normally I would also say swim a lot but if you are swimming at 4:00/100, then you need to get instruction and improve your technique before you add a bunch of swim volume. Shane |
2011-05-09 6:24 AM in reply to: #3488621 |
Extreme Veteran 368 | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. KathyG - 2011-05-09 6:50 AM Sometimes our goals to get to xxx weight by zzz date aren't realistic or positive for us. If you enjoy the tri lifestyle, pick a doable plan so you can train consistently, stay healthy and get to your goal races or century well trained. For me, I've got a weight goal of 170lbs by HIM Miami in October, however, that is a soft target, and I'm not making the weight loss my primary goal. I've already lost 50 pounds and have another 17 to go. I've noticed that I've hit a plateau, and am really stuck at my current weight. That being said, I'm not too terribly disappointed that I'm not still losing weight, as I already look and feel 1000 times better. Pick your "A" race, set a target (be it weight or time, or both), work towards the long term goal, and enjoy the journey. Even if you don't hit your weight goal, I guarantee you'll feel mentally and physical improved. |
2011-05-09 6:25 AM in reply to: #3488574 |
Regular 1893 Las Vegas, NV | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. From personal experience, you can have a 1k deficit daily for a month and not lose 8 lbs that month Your body adjusts somehow. When you start getting down to a normal weight larger deficits stop being so effective. |
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2011-05-09 6:44 AM in reply to: #3488649 |
Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. GatorDeb - 2011-05-09 6:25 AMFrom personal experience, you can have a 1k deficit daily for a month and not lose 8 lbs that month Your body adjusts somehow. When you start getting down to a normal weight larger deficits stop being so effective. If you're not losing weight then you're not in a deficit by definition. |
2011-05-09 6:48 AM in reply to: #3488574 |
Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. You shouldn't be looking to exercise to lose weight IMO. You should be looking to your diet. Eat right and your weight will take care of itself. If you want to also be healthy then exercise. People who use exercise as their main method of losing weight are rarely successful long term. That being said you could use diet and exercise combined to get your calorie deficit, which I feel is the easiest as you don't have to reduce your food too much, but if you don't take care of the diet then your just setting yourself up for a regain of weight later. |
2011-05-09 7:04 AM in reply to: #3488574 |
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2011-05-09 7:16 AM in reply to: #3488574 |
Master 2563 University Park, MD | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. It can take a while to reach a level of fitness where it's easy to burn large numbers of calories per day. So starting out, one shouldn't expect the exercise to be a major contributor to calorie deficits. Once the fitness increases, though, it can be feasible to burn a whole lot of calories per day through exercise. Combining the exercise and the calorie counting would be the way to go to shed the pounds. But you'll need to be prepared to stick at it for a while, and to not cut so aggressively that you're unable to recover from the exercise. As was already mentioned, increasing the bike volume is a great way to go, as it's something that can be done for hours, with relatively easy recovery. For what it's worth, don't assume that you can use a simple calories per 100m formula for swimming. When you're swimming slower, you're probably also swimming less efficiently, which means that you're probably burning more calories per 100m than a highly proficient swimmer. |
2011-05-09 7:27 AM in reply to: #3488574 |
Veteran 364 Columbus | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. I am going to jump on the diet train and look at what you are eating. 1600 Calories can be a lot of food or a little bit depending on what you consume. But keep up with your training and do not get discouraged. Some days you will have to eat less than others for your training. |
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2011-05-09 7:28 AM in reply to: #3488675 |
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2011-05-09 7:35 AM in reply to: #3488728 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. JBarwick - 2011-05-09 9:27 AM 1600 Calories can be a lot of food or a little bit depending on what you consume. I am unsure as to what you are trying to say here; could you elaborate? Shane |
2011-05-09 7:39 AM in reply to: #3488574 |
Master 2158 | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. Deb, good to see you back on the boards. As many people have mentioned, exercise is generally not going to be your primary source of caloric deficit. However, it can be a not insignificant part of staying healthy and having energy. Also, your calorie calculations have me a little confused. Do you use a HR monitor? If so, I would recommend comparing your HR doing your regular gym workout, your bike and your run. If you can burn 400 calories an hour doing cardio, you can probably get pretty close to that both running and cycling. By the way, if you have achilles pain when you run, if you haven't yet, see somebody who works with athletes and try to solve it. You do NOT want to cause a serious achilles problem. You do NOT want to start waking up with pain every morning. One other thing about your calories, how and when are you eating? I know that for me, focusing on getting more of my calories from nutrient rich but calorically light foods-like green veggies, some fruit, etc, always helps my weight loss compared to eating calorically dense foods, like breads, nuts, etc. Good luck! |
2011-05-09 7:43 AM in reply to: #3488739 |
Expert 1244 | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. gsmacleod - 2011-05-09 8:35 AM depends on what you consume to get to the 1600 caloriesJBarwick - 2011-05-09 9:27 AM 1600 Calories can be a lot of food or a little bit depending on what you consume. I am unsure as to what you are trying to say here; could you elaborate? Shane |
2011-05-09 7:44 AM in reply to: #3488753 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. ajusf16 - 2011-05-09 9:43 AM depends on what you consume to get to the 1600 calories What effect does this have? Shane |
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2011-05-09 7:49 AM in reply to: #3488574 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. ..and here I thought I wouldn't have anything amusing to read today. |
2011-05-09 7:49 AM in reply to: #3488758 |
Expert 1244 | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. gsmacleod - 2011-05-09 8:44 AM he was discussing amounts of foodajusf16 - 2011-05-09 9:43 AM depends on what you consume to get to the 1600 calories What effect does this have? Shaneif you eat certain foods with low calories you can increase your intake vs 1 big mac and one starbucks frappacino I can eat 1900 calories and be full thorughout the day and consume more than if I ate the bigmac/coffee combo and not be full for the day |
2011-05-09 7:51 AM in reply to: #3488574 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. One of two thing is going to happen here. Either Shane will fight the good fight and try and drag the uniformed into the light or he will jump off a bridge. My money is on the bridge. |
2011-05-09 7:53 AM in reply to: #3488574 |
Regular 1893 Las Vegas, NV | Subject: RE: Disappointed with how LITTLE calories triathlon training burns. I started working out at 215 lbs on 7/3/09 after being obese or overweight my whole life and through nutrition and exercise have gotten as low as 129 lbs and now I'm at 143 lbs so within 14 lbs of lowest weight (but at 129 lbs I had fasted and not drank water for a day so it was prob closer to 134 lbs (religious holiday)). I've used a BodyBugg (http://www.bodybugg.com) and a Polar heart rate monitor and now I kind of know what I burn at the gym and for the SBRing I use formulas on the web based on weight and height and sex because after almost two years of doing this, everything is just approximations. I've maintained this range of weight for a year now but I really want to lean down a little. I work out around 3 hours a day and do Yoga, spinning, Zumba, TurboKick, and weights 3 X a week with at least one day in-between, one hour full-body. It's a group class which I'm going to complement with some stuff on my own. I'm a new convert on muscle memory. This last Sprint I did I didn't do one minute of SBRing. All I did was go to the gym. And I finished but not with the times I wanted. (I like to experiment). So now I'm all into muscle memory and I'm going to start logging workouts and biking a lot and measuring distances and time and seeing how muscle memory works for me. I love learning the science behind it. And 1600 calories is 1600 calories no matter if it comes from lard or lettuce It's just the quantity that changes (and yes, the effects of the body, but if you're looking just as deficits, a calorie is a calorie is a calorie.... if you're looking for performance then you have to look at what makes up those calories). Other than trying to eat relatively decent, I mostly worry about total calorie count and 50/30/20 carbs/protein/fat and I try to get 1g of protein per lb of body weight specially on lift days. I've been unable to go to the gym for weeks (dizziness issues... long story) and have maintained my weight. |
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