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2006-02-12 6:27 PM

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I hate hills. And I won't do an ocean swim. I haven't done an IM, just a half, but in planning my one race of a lifetime, what are some thoughts? I know, I know, they all have some hills, but I'm afraid I wouldn't make any cut-off with the biggies. I live on the east coast/Mid-Atlantic, region.
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2006-02-12 6:35 PM
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There is no such thing as an "easy" Ironman..some just have different challenges than others. If you are looking for "easy" then stick with sprints...leave the IM races to those who want to sweat and suffer and EARN the right to be called an Ironman.
2006-02-12 6:57 PM
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Now now, lets not be too judgmental.  Obviously she knows what it means to earn the finish, as she said in her post that she has already done a 1/2 IM...you have to earn those too.  The point was, in looking at all the IM races, which has the least amount of hills on the bike?

From what I understand, Rhonda, it would be IM Florida as far as being flat on the bike, but I think it is a saltwater swim.  Wisconsin and Lake Placid have LOTS of hills on the bike.  I think Arizona has a couple decent climbs as well, but not too bad. 

Coeur d'Alene has some hills, but supposedly they aren't killers, and the swim is in a beautiful, clear lake...the course is supposed to be gorgeous...I'll know on June 25th. 

Then, of course, there are the other "iron distance" races that aren't Mdot races...so lots of choices out there.

Here is a link to the interactive bike course profiles for all the IM races in North America.

http://www.ironmannorthamerica.com/compare/comparebike.php 

 

2006-02-12 7:03 PM
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If you're just looking for a flat bike, ChesapeakeMan has that.  Last year the swim was also with the current (point-to-point) so the swim was fast as an added bonus.  Again, not "easy" but it is flat.
2006-02-12 7:23 PM
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Thanks, johnnykay. I live in the Philly area, so that is geographically desirable. Was Chessyman a nicely set-up race? Organized, etc?
2006-02-12 9:01 PM
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Not being judgemental.....my pet peeve is those people who use "easy" and "Ironman or Irondistance" in the same sentence. Doing an IM is a personal journey to see what you are made of and to challenge yourself to acheive something that you never thought possible. It's not as some people incorrectly think a box to check on your tri resume'. If you are doing it because its "easy" then why bother. I am not a great climber by any means and my build (6'3" 170-175) doesn't lend itself to being hauled over hills easily, that being said my first IM was Lake Placid BECAUSE of the hills. I wanted to challenge myself and get better overall doing it. Some folks think IMFL is easy, my response is spend 112 miles on the pedals the entire race (flat bike)  and then tell me how "easy" that marathon is afterward.

 

I am not trying to flame anyone, maybe just ask your question a little differently next time. How about "I am not a great climber and don't like ocean swims....what would you recommend as a course that suits my strengths?"



2006-02-12 9:06 PM
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Hey Brett,

Not trying to start any quarrel, I just thought you were a little too harsh on her...here is an article she recently wrote for PhillyFit.  Read this, and you'll understand that she knows all about the personal journey and challenging yourself to something you didn't think possible. 

 

 

2006-02-13 6:35 AM
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I didn't think you were trying to start anything....and I may have come across the wrong way in my first post. It wasn't directed at her personally (and I hope that I didn't hurt anyone's feelings), it just grates on me like nails on a chalkboard when someone asks which is an "easy" Ironman. There is no such thing, and I feel like it cheapens what you and I have worked hard for when someone is looking for an "easy" way to be an Ironman. I guess in my mind I can't understand why if you have the mental fortitude and desire to attempt an Ironman race, then why does it matter if one is considered "easier" than others. Challenge yourself, you have to sign up for most of these races a year in advance so that gives you 12 whole months to learn to climb better or get over a fear of swimming in the ocean, or running in the desert or whatever you are limited by as an athlete.

 

I apologize if I stepped on any toes, that was not the intent of my post. I do however stand by my original comments and will proceed to flame anyone who posts anything containing "easy" and "Ironman" in the same sentence. And don't even let me see the "I did a sprint last year and I have signed up for IM whatever" posts. Ridiculous!

2006-02-13 7:18 AM
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Gentlemen, you are the model of conflict resolution... love it.

But enough of that, HOLY CRAP, I just read that article, and I was blown away. Both because it was inspirational and honest, and because I realize how incredibly brave so many of my fellow tri-geeks are.  I would never have the guts to ask a race director to start early, but what a great idea!  And I love that so many training programs and groups were so supportive, you don;t find that everywhere.  Go Rhonda!  You are my new hero!(and thanks, B for posting that article

2006-02-13 8:38 AM
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writers2 - 2006-02-12 7:23 PM Thanks, johnnykay. I live in the Philly area, so that is geographically desirable. Was Chessyman a nicely set-up race? Organized, etc?

I actually haven't raced it, but have looked into it as a possible first IM for myself.  The race is run by the same group that does Columbia and Eagleman which are both top-notch races.  My impression is that Chessy is equally well-run, if less well-attended than those races (I think less than 200 raced last year).  The only negatives I was able to find from last year's race was the water had quite a few jellyfish so some may have been a little uncomfortable following the swim, but people were so psyched about the fast times they didn't seem to mind much.  I didn't find a single review that would discourage me from considering it.

Edit: Oh, and this year they have an aqua-bike (2.4/112) and are supposed to have a half option (little different half--1.2/65/10).  Might be a way to go down there and check it out.  Or volunteer instead if you can make it.



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2006-02-13 9:07 AM
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There will always be better, stronger athletes (yes, I now use that word to describe myself) but I am racing alongside them and get to experience the same excitement.


And you should and be very proud of it!!!

I'd also recommend Chesapeakeman. Small enough event (so far) and run by the same group that does the Columbia Tri (olympic distance - national level event) and the Eagleman 70.3 (Mdot 70.3 event that sold out in about two months). So the promoter knows how to put on an event!

Depending on how my season goes, I might even be going for that race in the Fall.


2006-02-13 6:12 PM
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Just gotta chime in here, been gone a long time. Guess I'm back. This is not mean to flame anyone but to just to share something about this.

Rhonda and I are planning to do this together. This is a life journey of ours and if you don't think we have sweated and worked and earned it, just the same as the rest of the people who work for that precious title, you are wrong. We are both recovering fatties, will be the rest of our lives. Both put in as many, or more, hours on our bikes, in the pool or on the run than others who are training for this. We are never going to be thin, we are never going to be fast, we just want this with all of our hearts. We earned the right to want it, to try for it, to set our goals for this journey. We both want the best shot possible to make that cutoff. Is it looking for an "easy way out"? No. It's an Ironman for crying out loud! They are murder on everyone who tries them. We just want to do it. Do it before we are older and slower than we are right now. We want to earn that title. Not for eachother, or a man or a pretty thing to hang on the wall. Because we are two people who have been waiting all of our lives to do things when we are thin.

When you are fat (and I was REALLY fat) life is all about eating because you are fat. Because you will "never" do anything cool or wonderful. It's living in a shell until you die. No, not every fat person is like that but I was. I told myself and others told me I was not good enough, not strong enough. "You will never..." Well we did more than anyone ever thought was possible for either of us. We won't come in first, we may come in one second before midnight, even on an "easy" course. So what? We still will earn it the same as those who come in at 5.

Rhonda did a half IM this summer. It about killed her. She told me she would NEVER even consider doing a full IM. I wisely, and for the first time in my life, shut up and let her ruminate on it. I am glad I did. We are not talking about this summer, maybe next summer (I have a half in July). When we are ready.

Oh and while I love the idea of Florida, even with the ocean swim, I thought they were ending that one? It's flat as a darn pancake.


I am off my soapbox now. I know there are people who will always look down on me because I am old and slow. I know there are people who bemoan the loss of only elite people in this sport. That happens. If you don't want us there (and I am NOT saying anyone said this) then don't look back. Because that's were we will be. Dead last, smiling like morons, holding hands as we cross the finish line and prove all those people who think we don't belong, wrong.


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2006-02-13 10:06 PM
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Well said, Nancy.  Let me know when you guys are registered, and I'll be first in line for your cheering section!
2006-02-14 6:04 AM
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2007. This summer I have a half IM from hell and I am scared to death about it!
2006-02-14 9:21 AM
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nliedel - 2006-02-14 7:04 AM

2007. This summer I have a half IM from hell and I am scared to death about it!


Nancy? Nancy, is that you? Nancy!

NANCY'S BACK!

2006-02-14 9:24 AM
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Yep, cringe and run or rejoice as you will. Me and my darn big mouth and slow run are back. I am missing my bike so badly right now I have been known to take trips to the shed just to look at her.



2006-02-14 9:34 AM
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Nancy,

I wasn't trying to flame you guys at all. I think its great that you are doing what you are doing. Like I said before the words "easy" and "Ironman" shouldn't be used in the same sentence. Maybe the question could have been posed a different way, or the situation explained prior to asking the question. Good luck to you both.

2006-02-14 9:57 AM
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Great Article!!!

You are a true inspiration...
I printed it out and it's going on my "Wall of Motivation".

Easy is a state of mind...
No IronMan is easy (ImDot event or not), but if you've put in the training/suffering hours, it's just another long training day, with the exception of 1000's of people cheering you on & people handing you food

Good Luck!

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2006-02-14 11:29 AM
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Wow!  Count me among those blown away by your article, Rhonda.  Congrats to you and the amazing things you've been able to accomplish.  You are truly a gifted athlete.

By the way, I'm doing my first sprint this year and hoping to do an IM next year....

2006-02-14 11:43 AM
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I started with sprints and skipped Oly's altogether. I detest the 6 mile running distance so bag it, right to 13.1 for this chick!

You will do fine!
2006-02-14 4:27 PM
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check out the Great Floridian...not an official IM race, but it is supposed to be a good 'beginner' race:
http://sommersports.com/events/greatfloridian/


2006-02-14 4:30 PM
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The only problem I have is if I am going to bust my buns I want my IM Tat!!! My lower back is waiting. I was thinking about getting an outline half filled in this year and getting it filled in when I do the whole Enchilada.
2006-02-14 4:31 PM
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Hey Nancy....talk to Haley (TriComet) about GFT if you're interested.  She did it in 2005, and has a nice Mdot tat on her lower back!

 

 

2006-02-14 4:56 PM
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GFT is not a good beginner race at all. Lots of hills and the race is poorly run. I have done it twice and will never do it again. Try an Mdot for your first one, you can always count on good support there. My advice is IM Florida or IM Arizona...both are beginner friendly.
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Rocket Man - 2006-02-14 4:56 PM GFT is not a good beginner race at all. Lots of hills and the race is poorly run. I have done it twice and will never do it again. Try an Mdot for your first one, you can always count on good support there. My advice is IM Florida or IM Arizona...both are beginner friendly.

FWIW, GFT does have hills.  But your comment about it being poorly run is not very consistent with other comments and reviews I have seen on the race.  Most people like the race and would do (or have done) it again.  Last year may have been sub-par due to the hurricanes perhaps? 

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