Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles
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2012-01-04 10:28 PM |
Expert 1014 , New Hampshire | Subject: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles I was about 4 pages into the Swim Lane Hogs/Human Buoys thread when I was reminded of a frustrating experience of mine at the local high school track. I wonder if this thread will be as controversial. I would go to the track in the summer to do speed work, as it is a public high school track and it is open to the public. There are signs clearly marked for non-student users of the track: walkers lane 6. Walkers/slow jogging lane 5. Runners on lanes 4 and 3 and please stay off lanes 1 and 2. It makes sense to me that faster paced people are on the left (going counter clockwise around the track) but what about staying off the first two lanes? Is this to reduce wear on the track? I obey these signs every time, but it is an unsupervised track and there are a few abusers. I do speak up and most people will correct their behaviour, but there are some stubborn people - namely one particular older couple. They walk around the track, using every single lane, even though there are other runners on the track. After a session, I waited for the couple to wrap up and I pointed out the signs and reminded them that they should use lanes 5 and 6 for walking. The woman quite rudely said she'd seen the signs, but unless I was going to count for her, how would she know she'd done 6 laps? (Boy, if you can't count to six...maybe you ought to carry 6 pebbles, and drop one each time you finish a lap...wish I thought to tell her that!) I told her that out of respect for the runners, who have to run around or out of the way when she changes lanes (I saw her cut off a couple runners), and for the high school, she shouldn't wear down lanes 1 and 2, she should again, stick to lanes 5 and 6. She got pretty upset with me, huffed away, and never made eye contact with me again for the rest of the summer and fall. Is there any other argument I could have made? Was I completely wrong about why the school wants people to stay off lanes 1 and 2? Or are the signs a mere suggestion that no one takes seriously? All the runners seem to obey the signs... |
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2012-01-04 10:45 PM in reply to: #3971939 |
Extreme Veteran 863 West Michigan | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles My gym has an indoor track with simple rules: walkers inside, runners outside. No more than two walkers per group (to prevent gossip circles). Despite multiple banners stating these rules, banners you run under, people still think they are above the rules or the rules don't apply to them. Even fellow triathletes on this board admit to putting themselves above the rules in other situations. There is nothing you can say to these people. Any argument you get into will be filled with ridiculous excuses to justify their right to be above the rules. I'd definitely remind them of the rules, but don't expect much in return. |
2012-01-04 10:45 PM in reply to: #3971939 |
Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles These policies are more about keeping the walkers out of the way of the joggers, out of the way of the runners, out of the way of the sprinters. It isn't about track wear. Trying to enforce the policy yourself is probably pointless and will do your own workout no benefit. My policy is to just run around such people and not worry about it. If the congestion truly becomes an issue on the track, it will work itself out. |
2012-01-04 11:00 PM in reply to: #3971939 |
Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles GreenMtnLabbit - 2012-01-04 10:28 PM There are signs clearly marked for non-student users of the track: walkers lane 6. Walkers/slow jogging lane 5. Runners on lanes 4 and 3 and please stay off lanes 1 and 2. This is the difference between your thread and the swim thread. Actual rules. Wheee who wins $20 for me posting on Page 1?? |
2012-01-04 11:07 PM in reply to: #3971939 |
Master 2460 | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles Meh. Totally different. I've never had a problem on the track, ever. If someone's dirt slow on the track, there is always room to blow by them, even if they're 4 abreast walkers. When you pass them for the 3rd time at sub 6 min/mile to their walk, they'll get the message quick that you're there to train, and invariably keep to the side.
Different in a pool - there's no avoiding that slowster who's doing the dog paddle in the fast lane with 2 other people ready to swim literally twice as fast stuck behind. |
2012-01-04 11:24 PM in reply to: #3971939 |
Veteran 566 Boise, ID | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles What bothers me the most on our HS track is the people who blatantly ignore the "No Dogs on the Track" signs! They don't even carry baggies! Fortunately I have never seen any turds on the track....maybe they figure the geese do it so my dog can too!! As far as the pool goes....I'm going to try swimming at 1am when I get off work! I pass by the pool on my way home. |
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2012-01-05 12:20 AM in reply to: #3971939 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles How do you all ever enjoy your workouts? I don't goive a rats arse what someone else does.....I'm there for me. I try to follow rules/suggestions, but I don't care at all if you don't. In fact, I get so into what I'm doing I can't possibly imagine even noticing who was following the "rules" and who wasn't. Still......rage on!!!! Edited by Left Brain 2012-01-05 12:21 AM |
2012-01-05 12:21 AM in reply to: #3972010 |
Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles Left Brain - 2012-01-04 10:20 PM How do you all ever enjoy your workouts? I don't goive a rats arse what someone else does.....I'm there for me. I try to follow rules/suggestions, but I don't care at all if you don't. In fact, I get so into what I'm doing I can't possibly imagine even noticing who was following the "rules" and who wasn't. Until you step in a surprise... |
2012-01-05 12:22 AM in reply to: #3972011 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles We've got 3 dogs....what, exactly, would a surprise be?? |
2012-01-05 1:27 AM in reply to: #3972012 |
Extreme Veteran 863 West Michigan | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles Left Brain - 2012-01-05 1:22 AM We've got 3 dogs....what, exactly, would a surprise be?? I have a dog, yet stepping in dog poop on a track would still be a surprise to me. Maybe you need to potty trying your dogs a little better if stepping in poop is a norm in your house. |
2012-01-05 5:26 AM in reply to: #3971939 |
Master 1460 Burlington, Vermont | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles Yeah ... I see this like I saw the swim question. It really isn't going to impact my workout to any significant degree if I have to go wide for a few strides while passing people who are in the wrong lane. And I'm a huge track geek. Do I wish everyone would follow the rules? Yes ... I do. I'm a bit of a rule follower. But I've learned that I can't control how other people behave. I can only control how I respond to their behavior. [/threadjack] |
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2012-01-05 6:18 AM in reply to: #3971939 |
Regular 853 | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles My high school track has a similar sign and a "no dogs" sign. Yet everytime I go there are people walking 4 and 5 abreast usually with a dog. Last year they brought in some aluminum bleachers so on one side only 2 lanes are usuable. The football field is inside the track so they moved in visitors bleachers. I thought after football season they would move the bleachers but they haven't. So I guess there won't be any track meets at that venue. There is also a sign for "no bicycles", but people come to walk and bring their young children and allow them to ride their bikes. Now that is scary. What is wierd is that there are all these signs up and yet there are like 10 people there breaking rules and one day there was a pair of sisters using sidewalk chalk clearly out of the way of everyone. They were sitting in an alcove off the track and a school official told them they couldn't use the chalk. At the same time this was going on there was a bike and at least 2 dogs on the track and nothing was said. jami |
2012-01-05 9:42 AM in reply to: #3971939 |
Lafayette, CO | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles The only time I've gotten truly annoyed with a track workout is when there was a dog, unleashed who kept lunging at me every time I went by. I do have a slight fear of dogs I'm unfamiliar with due to being bitten severely by a dog a few years back (a yellow lab so the argument I often here of "he's just a lab, he's friendly" doesn't hold weight with me) so this was really disconcerting to me. I finally asked the guy to leash the dog after the second round. |
2012-01-05 9:50 AM in reply to: #3971976 |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles lisac957 - 2012-01-05 12:00 AM GreenMtnLabbit - 2012-01-04 10:28 PM There are signs clearly marked for non-student users of the track: walkers lane 6. Walkers/slow jogging lane 5. Runners on lanes 4 and 3 and please stay off lanes 1 and 2. This is the difference between your thread and the swim thread. Actual rules. Yeah, but can you define the difference between slow jogging and slow running?
Edited by Goosedog 2012-01-05 9:52 AM |
2012-01-05 9:55 AM in reply to: #3971956 |
Extreme Veteran 597 NE Ohio | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles guppie58 - 2012-01-04 11:45 PM My gym has an indoor track with simple rules: walkers inside, runners outside. mine as well, as do most, and we alternate days of clockwise/counterclockwise. What cracks me up is when people go on the track the opposite way, when people are already walking/running the "direction of the day". this is the only time i open my pie hole when running. |
2012-01-05 10:07 AM in reply to: #3972554 |
Expert 1014 , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles Goosedog - 2012-01-05 10:50 AM lisac957 - 2012-01-05 12:00 AM Yeah, but can you define the difference between slow jogging and slow running?
Honestly, no, I can't, especially because I am often slow running or fast jogging or whatever. I would admit that part of the sign is a little strange. But it seems like I've done all that I can. I've tried to politely educate people so everyone can enjoy the track, but I think all it will take to make this one particular couple realise they need to follow the rules, is the one time that they don't look behind them when they step into the next lane and a runner runs into them. When I think back, I think that what really got me frustrated was her unwillingness to cooperate. I really wasn't at all too ticked off that she was walking all the lanes. I thought for safety's sake and the sake of not wearing down the track (which may or may not be the case, as some of you have pointed out) I should point out the rules. I didn't expect to get my head bitten off by an old lady that day! Now I'm ticked because I know she knows the rules, knows that at least a couple runners have talked to her about it, and she still doesn't care! I guess I gotta suck it up and enjoy my workout best I can. Boy...I wonder if she does shoulder checks and signals while she drives! *edited because I messed up the quotey thing. Edited by GreenMtnLabbit 2012-01-05 10:08 AM |
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2012-01-05 10:11 AM in reply to: #3971939 |
Champion 8766 Evergreen, Colorado | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles One day when I was deployed I was trying to run intervals around the track. Timed stuff based on an actual quarter mile. A whole unit of Army guys was literally LAYING DOWN in the first two lanes to do situps. I definitely spoke to their supervisor after I had to leap over them a few times. The only exception I could see to the OP's original thing...I mean, if am actually doing timed quarter miles or something for a training session, I kind of like to use the inside lane so it's an accurate measurement! But I guess if I always used the same track I could adjust the intervals to use the outside lanes. People without track etiquette do tick me off too. I have enough situation awareness to move over 99% of the time if someone faster comes up behind me. There's always that ONE person that quietly sneaks up behind me that I don't know is there (and no, I don't do track workouts with headphones in so I woudl normally hear them coming). |
2012-01-05 10:13 AM in reply to: #3971939 |
Master 2327 Columbia, TN | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles Yes, the reason most tracks have either signs or barriers on the first lane or two is to avoid premature wear to the surface there. Ignoring that request is disrespectful and basically tantamount to vandalism. The old lady's problem in your case was that she understood that 6 laps in the inside lane is 1.5 miles. She wanted 1.5 miles and didn't know how far to walk in lane 6 to equal 1.5 miles. A very helpful 'sign' for local authorities to put up is a conversion chart that will indicate distance in the outer lanes too. Such as: LANE 6: 1 mile = 3.7 laps. When I'm doing 400, 800 or 1600meter repeats I want to know exactly where to start and finish when in lane 3 or 4...So I'm going to have to do my homework.
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2012-01-05 10:18 AM in reply to: #3971976 |
Master 3888 Overland Park, KS | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles lisac957 - 2012-01-04 11:00 PM GreenMtnLabbit - 2012-01-04 10:28 PM There are signs clearly marked for non-student users of the track: walkers lane 6. Walkers/slow jogging lane 5. Runners on lanes 4 and 3 and please stay off lanes 1 and 2. This is the difference between your thread and the swim thread. Actual rules. Wheee who wins $20 for me posting on Page 1?? I can now afford to buy you a few rounds Lisa |
2012-01-05 10:22 AM in reply to: #3972601 |
Master 2538 Albuquerque | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles JeffY - 2012-01-05 9:13 AM Yes, the reason most tracks have either signs or barriers on the first lane or two is to avoid premature wear to the surface there. Ignoring that request is disrespectful and basically tantamount to vandalism. The old lady's problem in your case was that she understood that 6 laps in the inside lane is 1.5 miles. She wanted 1.5 miles and didn't know how far to walk in lane 6 to equal 1.5 miles. A very helpful 'sign' for local authorities to put up is a conversion chart that will indicate distance in the outer lanes too. Such as: LANE 6: 1 mile = 3.7 laps. When I'm doing 400, 800 or 1600meter repeats I want to know exactly where to start and finish when in lane 3 or 4...So I'm going to have to do my homework.
I took it as she changes lanes each lap so that "counts" her laps for her. |
2012-01-05 10:25 AM in reply to: #3971939 |
Master 3888 Overland Park, KS | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles I often run a few miles on the indoor track at our gym. It's 1/10th of a mile so 3 miles is 30 laps. So I'm cruising along about 8 m/mile pace and there's two walkers side by side ahead. I move to the outside and there's barely enough room for me to squeeze by. So I do it, politely say "good morning" and continue on my way. a minute or two later I come up to them again, they''re still side by side with a few feet in between them to where I've got to squeeze by. I keep doing this maybe 20 times. But each tme there was enough room to squeeze by so no big deal. But what was interesting was that they could have walked closer together allowing more room for the other runners as I was not the only running passing them. But nothing to get in a stink over, it's just that if I were walking side by side with someone, I would walk closer to them so that there was more room for runners. But that's just me ..... |
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2012-01-05 10:30 AM in reply to: #3971939 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles I've tried running at my kids school track and it is dangerous. People start/stop at random intervals. This is why I'm fortunate to have the college track near me. You need ID to use it, and there is always an armed college security guard stationed there who enjoys enforcing rules, loudly. There are only two issues: 1. The college track team blowing past me at warp speed. 2. When the field hockey team is practicing you have to dodge errant balls. |
2012-01-05 10:33 AM in reply to: #3971939 |
Master 2725 Washington, DC Metro | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles So when your hammering around the track on the inside lane and grandma is shuffling along, just move over ever-so-slightly where you may even graze shoulders and yell "TRACK" as loudly as possible. Do this a few times and I'm sure your problem will be solved. |
2012-01-05 10:40 AM in reply to: #3972631 |
Extreme Veteran 597 NE Ohio | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles reecealan - 2012-01-05 11:25 AM I often run a few miles on the indoor track at our gym. It's 1/10th of a mile so 3 miles is 30 laps. So I'm cruising along about 8 m/mile pace and there's two walkers side by side ahead. I move to the outside and there's barely enough room for me to squeeze by. So I do it, politely say "good morning" and continue on my way. a minute or two later I come up to them again, they''re still side by side with a few feet in between them to where I've got to squeeze by. I keep doing this maybe 20 times. But each tme there was enough room to squeeze by so no big deal. But what was interesting was that they could have walked closer together allowing more room for the other runners as I was not the only running passing them. But nothing to get in a stink over, it's just that if I were walking side by side with someone, I would walk closer to them so that there was more room for runners. But that's just me ..... maybe one of them didn't smell so fresh so the other was keeping her space |
2012-01-05 10:43 AM in reply to: #3971939 |
Pro 4189 Pittsburgh, my heart is in Glasgow | Subject: RE: Track Lane Hogs / Human Hurdles I used to work at a university, and I was really fortunate to have a three lane indoor track at my disposal (man, I hate the treadmill). When we had a really bad winter storm, the gym was still open so that the students didn't go nuts and kill each other from cabin fever, and so I took the bus to campus to get my 8 and 9 milers in. Well, as a 5am-er, this was the.most.people. I had ever seen on the track. And because it was really the only place you could go on campus aside from the library, everyone was clumped together chatting and what have you. 50+ laps indoors, dodging co-eds is not exactly my idea of peace and focus. BUT! I basically used the "passing on your left/right" that I do when I cycle, and it worked well. I guarantee you that most of them would not have understood "Track!" but they get "hey, I'm passing on your left, so stay put for one second while I go by." I'm seriously not fast enough that dodging people really makes that much of a difference. I just think of it like the beginning of a race. |
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