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2006-06-28 10:33 AM
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Subject: RE: Why drink when training for swimming?

Oh, I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all.  Just pointing out that if you don't bring something to drink it's not necessarily an indicator that your workouts are lacking either.

amiine - 2006-06-28 10:31 AM

I do it because it really helps get through my w/o in particular cramping-wise. If I don’t drink enough before and while I’ll cramp every time, in particular on very long or speed sessions. Also I feel I can push a bit harder toward the end of a regular w/o when it is usually worth of going a bit faster. Finally, by doing that I don’t finish dehydrated, which for me is vital because I want to recover ASAP or at least have plenty of energy for my mid-day and/or PM workouts…



2006-06-28 10:38 AM
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Subject: RE: Why drink when training for swimming?
One important thing that I think a lot of people don't realize is how much they sweat while they are swimming.  You never feel like you are sweating, so you don't think to drink.  I know I didn't when I started swimming.  But drinking while you are swimming is helpful for all of the reasons stated.  Personaly, I've found that I feel better when I drink a little between each of my sets.
2006-06-28 10:40 AM
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I don't think its assuming too much at all.....within your workouts you have very hard sessions and will form cotton mouth....If you don't need water your not doing your hard sets hard enough (espcially the way they heat the pools)

I don't see how you can spend 60-120 mins in a pool and not need something to drink.
2006-06-28 10:41 AM
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Subject: RE: Why drink when training for swimming?

So you're basically telling me that I (and others who don't drink water) don't swim hard enough? 

I'd say that's assuming.

running2far - 2006-06-28 10:40 AM I don't think its assuming too much at all.....within your workouts you have very hard sessions and will form cotton mouth....If you don't need water your not doing your hard sets hard enough (espcially the way they heat the pools) I don't see how you can spend 60-120 mins in a pool and not need something to drink.

2006-06-28 10:43 AM
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Subject: RE: Why drink when training for swimming?
DerekL - 2006-06-28 10:33 AM

Oh, I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all.  Just pointing out that if you don't bring something to drink it's not necessarily an indicator that your workouts are lacking either.

amiine - 2006-06-28 10:31 AM

I do it because it really helps get through my w/o in particular cramping-wise. If I don’t drink enough before and while I’ll cramp every time, in particular on very long or speed sessions. Also I feel I can push a bit harder toward the end of a regular w/o when it is usually worth of going a bit faster. Finally, by doing that I don’t finish dehydrated, which for me is vital because I want to recover ASAP or at least have plenty of energy for my mid-day and/or PM workouts…

true and I agree 100%
2006-06-28 10:49 AM
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Subject: RE: Why drink when training for swimming?
My assumption is your HARD SETS ARENT HARD ENOUGH - not your not swiming hard. So no, that not basically what I'm saying...which goes back to my first thought which was most people I see train at the same speed all through their workout.


2006-06-28 10:51 AM
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Subject: RE: Why drink when training for swimming?

You'll forgive me if I have a problem with you assuming anything about what I do.

running2far - 2006-06-28 10:49 AM My assumption is your HARD SETS ARENT HARD ENOUGH - not your not swiming hard. So no, that not basically what I'm saying...which goes back to my first thought which was most people I see train at the same speed all through their workout.

2006-06-28 10:53 AM
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Subject: RE: Why drink when training for swimming?
Okay, I brought water to the pool once, and found that I really, really had to go (no, Mr. Asparagus Man, I did not go in the pool) when I do hydrate on the swim. I don't generally get cotton mouth, so maybe I need to swim harder (or stop swallowing so much water)? Would y'all suggest hydrating for a 40-min. workout? I don't do this when I'm running...
2006-06-28 11:01 AM
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Subject: RE: Why drink when training for swimming?

I completely agree with this and it's one of the first times I've seen condraticting advice here. Do you wear your fuelbelt if you run under an hour? No. Why then would a swim of less the one hour be any different? I just don't see the logic in the advice being given.

 

drdi - 2006-06-28 7:37 AM

I don't take water with me for runs under 1 hour. My pool is only open for lap swims in one hour increments so I don't keep water with me at the side of the pool because I train for less than one hour at a time. I make sure I am well hydrated before and then after. Seems like if you start a workout well hydrated that you should be able to go 45mins to 1 hour without taking a drink?



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2006-06-28 11:02 AM
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Subject: RE: Why drink when training for swimming?
running2far - 2006-06-28 10:40 AM

I don't think its assuming too much at all.....within your workouts you have very hard sessions and will form cotton mouth....If you don't need water your not doing your hard sets hard enough (espcially the way they heat the pools)

I don't see how you can spend 60-120 mins in a pool and not need something to drink.


OK. With that said.

What do you say when one runner can run a 7 minute mile and go up to 10 miles without water, and another runner can't go 3 miles at a 10 minute mile pace, without water?

With your logic, the runner who goes up to 10 miles without water- is not working hard enough.

Where as the runner who is doing 3 miles is working really hard.

Right?
2006-06-28 11:19 AM
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rollinbones - 2006-06-28 11:01 AM

I completely agree with this and it's one of the first times I've seen condraticting advice here. Do you where your fuelbelt if you run under an hour? No. Why then would a swim of less the one hour be any different?  i just don't see the logic. 

 

drdi - 2006-06-28 7:37 AM

I don't take water with me for runs under 1 hour. My pool is only open for lap swims in one hour increments so I don't keep water with me at the side of the pool because I train for less than one hour at a time. I make sure I am well hydrated before and then after. Seems like if you start a workout well hydrated that you should be able to go 45mins to 1 hour without taking a drink? I don't know?Actually, I never ever think I am drinking pool water, but almost always when I am done swimming, I have to pee right away and then usually again before I leave the locker room and then again right when I get home. And it's always clear like I have been drinking alot, but sometimes if I am in a hurry, I haven't been drinking much at all. I don't quite get that!

You don't HAVE to do it, but you CAN do it if need it. For a recovery swim I won’t bother drinking while swimming. But for a short speed session 40-50 min or less I would. (Same for running) I already explain why it might benefit a particular training session/day.  In particular those swimming 4-5x a week with a considerable time/volume and doing 2 or more workouts a day. Ultimately people can and will do whatever the want and that’s fine with me


2006-06-28 11:21 AM
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Subject: RE: Why drink when training for swimming?
its not really about comparing two different individuals and what is hard based on a desired time. You're doing a sample set say 10 X 100 on the 1:15 that could be very hard (I couldn't hold it, no way not even close) but the swimmer next to me is fine and seems to have tons of recovery time. So for that swimmer the 1:15 isn't hard enough, move it up 5 secs for him/her to get the benefit...

The subject has been beaten to death...if I offended someone I didn't mean it. I'm just saying within your workouts you should have HARD sets (for you that make you really have to want it) and you'll probably need some high quality h20 after you finish cause you're sucking wind and your tongue is stuck to the mouth
2006-06-28 11:33 AM
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Subject: RE: Why drink when training for swimming?
rollinbones - 2006-06-28 10:01 AM

I completely agree with this and it's one of the first times I've seen condraticting advice here. Do you wear your fuelbelt if you run under an hour? No. Why then would a swim of less the one hour be any different? I just don't see the logic in the advice being given.

 

drdi - 2006-06-28 7:37 AM

I don't take water with me for runs under 1 hour. My pool is only open for lap swims in one hour increments so I don't keep water with me at the side of the pool because I train for less than one hour at a time. I make sure I am well hydrated before and then after. Seems like if you start a workout well hydrated that you should be able to go 45mins to 1 hour without taking a drink?

Actually, anything over 25 minutes running/biking/swimming, I bring water/sports drink.

Yes you may be able to go 45min to an hour without dying of dehydration, but I can pretty much guarantee that if you weigh yourself before and after, you'll have lost a fair amount of fluids and are deydrated towards the end of the workout.

Unless it's an IM swim, about the longest you'll go without water/fluids is closer to 30 minutes, than the 1 hour mark.

Personally, I'm going to keep training with fluids and staying hydrated through all of my workouts.  It seems to be working pretty well for me.   

2006-06-28 12:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Why drink when training for swimming?
running2far - 2006-06-28 12:21 PM

The subject has been beaten to death...you'll probably need some high quality h20 after you finish cause you're sucking wind and your tongue is stuck to the mouth


I agree that it's been beaten to death now, but the cottonmouth and tongue stuck thing confuses me. How do you keep pool/lake water completely out of your mouth to make it that dry? I get a little water in my mouth on every breath, which at least keeps my mouth moist, even if my body is dehydrating.
2006-06-28 12:42 PM
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Subject: RE: Why drink when training for swimming?
Make sure you've exhaled completely in the water face down so when your head turns you're only taking in air vs. Exhaling and inhaling while your head is turned which causes the gasp and your body over rotating (that might be wear you're taking in water) don't hold your breath under water....start to exhaul and when you're ready to turn to the side and inhale..

however..without actually watching you its hard to say...so the above is just a guess
2006-06-28 4:00 PM
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Subject: RE: Why drink when training for swimming?
running2far - 2006-06-28 12:42 PM

Make sure you've exhaled completely in the water face down so when your head turns you're only taking in air vs. Exhaling and inhaling while your head is turned which causes the gasp and your body over rotating (that might be wear you're taking in water) don't hold your breath under water....start to exhaul and when you're ready to turn to the side and inhale..

however..without actually watching you its hard to say...so the above is just a guess


I know this was not for me... but oddly enough, my mouth never gets dry while I swim... because I always breathe in and out with a small pool of water in the bottom of my mouth.

I also swim with my mouth open under the water.

It's very odd.



2006-06-28 4:27 PM
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Subject: RE: Why drink when training for swimming?

Well a few things to touch on since I started this thread...

My actual swim time for my 2k workout swims is aprox 30min...when you include the rest time it's more like 40-42min total max time in the pool.  I know I'm swimming at a max speed on HARD swim days beacause I'm breaking PR's.  So swimming HARD is not the issue.

The issue is the benifit to my total training to prepare me for a race day situation.  I've been doing some online research and found that many swim TRI coaches recommend drinking sports drinks for workouts longer than 1 hour, anything less should just be water.  Regardless of weather or not I like it or not I know I'm taking in water on my swims.  So do I need to have a bottle of water at the end of the pool to hydrate myself?

I can tell you that I have tried it a few times and it just makes me feel like throwing up and causes stomach cramping when I drink.  This is a hinderance to my overall performance during a workout so I personally don't feel like drinking will help me achieve a better workout scenario.

It could be different for each of us since most of us are nothing alike and we all do our training a little differently it's really hard to answer my orginal question without disagreeing with each other.  But I really do like where this has gone and it has promoted a lot of good ideas...I look forward to "trying" the drink thing again to see if the stomach cramping issues will go away.  Thanks for the input!

2006-06-28 5:15 PM
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I look forward to "trying" the drink thing again to see if the stomach cramping issues will go away. Thanks for the input!


You know, if can swim... and not drink... and you feel better NOT drinking. Then don't drink.

You can't drink in a race... so why start it now? It sounds like you are doing fine... just the way you are.


2006-06-28 7:13 PM
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Subject: RE: Why drink when training for swimming?

If I could drink evry 10-15min on my runs I most certainly would.  Problem is that I absolutely HATE carrying water bottles and the one time I wore a Fuel Belt it had to be the single most irritating thing in the world. So I go without because I "have" to, not because it's the right thing to do.

rollinbones - 2006-06-28 12:01 PM

I completely agree with this and it's one of the first times I've seen condraticting advice here. Do you wear your fuelbelt if you run under an hour? No. Why then would a swim of less the one hour be any different? I just don't see the logic in the advice being given.

 

drdi - 2006-06-28 7:37 AM

I don't take water with me for runs under 1 hour. My pool is only open for lap swims in one hour increments so I don't keep water with me at the side of the pool because I train for less than one hour at a time. I make sure I am well hydrated before and then after. Seems like if you start a workout well hydrated that you should be able to go 45mins to 1 hour without taking a drink?

2006-06-29 7:45 AM
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Subject: RE: Why drink when training for swimming?
Alright, all this talk inspired me push harder this AM. I took 10 sec off my 100's but for the first time ever forgot my water bottle! I was fine it was only 1200 meters. I have also heard people suggest using the water bottle for sighting practice.
2006-06-29 10:46 AM
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Subject: RE: Why drink when training for swimming?
Now that's actually the first "GREAT" reason I've heard of so far...to use it to sight with...that might actually be worth a try.  It would certainly be great practice for a race scenario!


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