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2015-11-11 5:45 PM |
8 | Subject: 100m intervals swims Hi New to all this. I wanted to know where to start on swim training and intervals. Looking at a standard tri in the next 6 months followed by 70.3 next year. In regards to swim training, I can currently swim a flat out 100m (without a dive) in 1m 17sec from training 2*1500m sessions for the last 2 months. I know there are a lot variables but what time should I be looking at for a 1500m swim and 1.9km swims ? Also, what intervals should I be looking at for 100s? Thanks |
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2015-11-11 6:35 PM in reply to: Gregwilkoaus |
Pro 6582 Melbourne FL | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims |
2015-11-11 6:38 PM in reply to: Donto |
Pro 6582 Melbourne FL | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims Oh, if a good workout booklet is that's what you are looking for, see is 'Swim Workouts for Triathletes'. There was a group of local triathlete meeting a pool that was using this for workouts.
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2015-11-11 7:32 PM in reply to: Donto |
Member 587 | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims x2 If you are unfamiliar with swimming this book gives you a good variety of workouts. Usually there a shorter & longer versions of each different workout. The book provides a test set you can perform which will give you a baseline pace to use for the workouts. Overall a worthwhile investment. Having this book was a vast improvement to just showing up at the pool & swimming without much direction. At least that was my experience. |
2015-11-11 7:38 PM in reply to: 5stones |
2015-11-11 8:53 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
8 | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims i have not done a 1500m TT at this stage |
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2015-11-11 9:01 PM in reply to: Gregwilkoaus |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims Originally posted by Gregwilkoaus i have not done a 1500m TT at this stage So do you have a swim background? Because a 1:17 100M is REALLY fast for someone who swims 3000M per week if you are a beginner. |
2015-11-11 11:17 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
471 | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by Gregwilkoaus i have not done a 1500m TT at this stage So do you have a swim background? Because a 1:17 100M is REALLY fast for someone who swims 3000M per week if you are a beginner. Yeah that's what I was thinking. Does he mean yards? |
2015-11-11 11:26 PM in reply to: zedzded |
8 | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims yes - squads as a kid to about 13 years old. Have not done any structured swimming since then (31 years old now and out of shape) |
2015-11-11 11:28 PM in reply to: Gregwilkoaus |
8 | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims I am planning on doing a 400m TT tomorrow to set some goals with or am I better off doing a long TT like 1000 or 1500? |
2015-11-12 8:25 AM in reply to: Gregwilkoaus |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims I would get your short bench marks in order and then see what you may need to stretch them out. |
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2015-11-12 11:39 AM in reply to: Gregwilkoaus |
Pro 6582 Melbourne FL | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims Originally posted by Gregwilkoaus I am planning on doing a 400m TT tomorrow to set some goals with or am I better off doing a long TT like 1000 or 1500? Well if you're going to do 400m then go ahead and do the 400m/200m test as specified in the CSS link I posted above. This is like doing a Critical Power test on the bike to find a power related threshold."The CSS test involves two timetrial swims - a 400m and a 200m. Before attempting these swims perform a thorough warmup and a small build set to get you used to swimming fast. Do the 400m timetrial first, it's less likely to effect the 200m than the other way around. Recover completely between each timetrial with some easy swimming. Perform both timetrials from a push off from the wall, not a dive..." Or the other link (T-pace) provided states a 1000 TT or 3x300 TT. Pick you flavor... |
2015-11-12 12:04 PM in reply to: Donto |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims Originally posted by Donto Originally posted by Gregwilkoaus I am planning on doing a 400m TT tomorrow to set some goals with or am I better off doing a long TT like 1000 or 1500? Well if you're going to do 400m then go ahead and do the 400m/200m test as specified in the CSS link I posted above. This is like doing a Critical Power test on the bike to find a power related threshold."The CSS test involves two timetrial swims - a 400m and a 200m. Before attempting these swims perform a thorough warmup and a small build set to get you used to swimming fast. Do the 400m timetrial first, it's less likely to effect the 200m than the other way around. Recover completely between each timetrial with some easy swimming. Perform both timetrials from a push off from the wall, not a dive..." Or the other link (T-pace) provided states a 1000 TT or 3x300 TT. Pick you flavor... Interesting.....the benchmark test for swimming under USAT's Elite Development program is a 200 all out and THEN an 800 after a 1 minute rest. |
2015-11-12 12:08 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
489 | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by Donto Originally posted by Gregwilkoaus I am planning on doing a 400m TT tomorrow to set some goals with or am I better off doing a long TT like 1000 or 1500? Well if you're going to do 400m then go ahead and do the 400m/200m test as specified in the CSS link I posted above. This is like doing a Critical Power test on the bike to find a power related threshold."The CSS test involves two timetrial swims - a 400m and a 200m. Before attempting these swims perform a thorough warmup and a small build set to get you used to swimming fast. Do the 400m timetrial first, it's less likely to effect the 200m than the other way around. Recover completely between each timetrial with some easy swimming. Perform both timetrials from a push off from the wall, not a dive..." Or the other link (T-pace) provided states a 1000 TT or 3x300 TT. Pick you flavor... Interesting.....the benchmark test for swimming under USAT's Elite Development program is a 200 all out and THEN an 800 after a 1 minute rest. Ugh - if you do that honestly that would puke inducing toward the end of the 800 |
2015-11-12 12:31 PM in reply to: Dan-L |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims Originally posted by Dan-L Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by Donto Originally posted by Gregwilkoaus I am planning on doing a 400m TT tomorrow to set some goals with or am I better off doing a long TT like 1000 or 1500? Well if you're going to do 400m then go ahead and do the 400m/200m test as specified in the CSS link I posted above. This is like doing a Critical Power test on the bike to find a power related threshold."The CSS test involves two timetrial swims - a 400m and a 200m. Before attempting these swims perform a thorough warmup and a small build set to get you used to swimming fast. Do the 400m timetrial first, it's less likely to effect the 200m than the other way around. Recover completely between each timetrial with some easy swimming. Perform both timetrials from a push off from the wall, not a dive..." Or the other link (T-pace) provided states a 1000 TT or 3x300 TT. Pick you flavor... Interesting.....the benchmark test for swimming under USAT's Elite Development program is a 200 all out and THEN an 800 after a 1 minute rest. Ugh - if you do that honestly that would puke inducing toward the end of the 800 I've never done it....but I've beenont he pool deck watching many times.....it's ugly for those with no swim background. For the collegiate recruitment program the benchmarks are pretty easy for former club swimmers to hit......2:15 for 200 SCY and then 10:00 for 800 SCY after a minute rest. The boogymen there is you have to have a HUGE run background. The benchmarks are 3:49 for 1500, 4:07 for a mile, 14:10 for 5K......etc. It's not for mortals. |
2015-11-12 12:44 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Pro 6582 Melbourne FL | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims Originally posted by Left Brain The CSS test can be modified. If you want threshold pacing for longer distance then you can do 400 & 1000 test, or 800/1600, etc. I found a spreadsheet awhile back that allows for the distance parameters to be changed (attached)Originally posted by Donto Originally posted by Gregwilkoaus I am planning on doing a 400m TT tomorrow to set some goals with or am I better off doing a long TT like 1000 or 1500? Well if you're going to do 400m then go ahead and do the 400m/200m test as specified in the CSS link I posted above. This is like doing a Critical Power test on the bike to find a power related threshold."The CSS test involves two timetrial swims - a 400m and a 200m. Before attempting these swims perform a thorough warmup and a small build set to get you used to swimming fast. Do the 400m timetrial first, it's less likely to effect the 200m than the other way around. Recover completely between each timetrial with some easy swimming. Perform both timetrials from a push off from the wall, not a dive..." Or the other link (T-pace) provided states a 1000 TT or 3x300 TT. Pick you flavor... Interesting.....the benchmark test for swimming under USAT's Elite Development program is a 200 all out and THEN an 800 after a 1 minute rest. The USAT test is as you stated, a benchmark test, nothing is provided about training pacing that I could find. Attachments ---------------- CSS_calculator.xlsx (15KB - 5 downloads) |
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2015-11-12 12:51 PM in reply to: Donto |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims Originally posted by Donto Originally posted by Left Brain The CSS test can be modified. If you want threshold pacing for longer distance then you can do 400 & 1000 test, or 800/1600, etc. I found a spreadsheet awhile back that allows for the distance parameters to be changed (attached)Originally posted by Donto Originally posted by Gregwilkoaus I am planning on doing a 400m TT tomorrow to set some goals with or am I better off doing a long TT like 1000 or 1500? Well if you're going to do 400m then go ahead and do the 400m/200m test as specified in the CSS link I posted above. This is like doing a Critical Power test on the bike to find a power related threshold."The CSS test involves two timetrial swims - a 400m and a 200m. Before attempting these swims perform a thorough warmup and a small build set to get you used to swimming fast. Do the 400m timetrial first, it's less likely to effect the 200m than the other way around. Recover completely between each timetrial with some easy swimming. Perform both timetrials from a push off from the wall, not a dive..." Or the other link (T-pace) provided states a 1000 TT or 3x300 TT. Pick you flavor... Interesting.....the benchmark test for swimming under USAT's Elite Development program is a 200 all out and THEN an 800 after a 1 minute rest. The USAT test is as you stated, a benchmark test, nothing is provided about training pacing that I could find. I'm tracking you now.....I missed the links in the earlier post. This is find paces? |
2015-11-12 2:18 PM in reply to: Gregwilkoaus |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims Originally posted by Gregwilkoaus I am planning on doing a 400m TT tomorrow to set some goals with or am I better off doing a long TT like 1000 or 1500? Eventually all will help. A 400m tomorrow will give you a good starting poitn. Doing a 1500m now though would let you see MASSIVE improvements in your 1500m time as you get faster. Because you'll be a little "slow" relatively speaking if you do it tomorrow, you know? But either way once you do them, you can look at the decay rate of your speed and sort out where is a good target to be swimming repeat intervals at. There are a couple of ways to do this. I prefer using a logarithmic decay, but you can use a linear decay model as well (like CSS). Do your tests and keep us updated. |
2015-11-12 9:08 PM in reply to: AdventureBear |
8 | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims hi all Did the 400m and 200m TT today. That hurt!!! 6m12sec for the 400m. Was under 6min pace for 250m then fell to bits, wheels came off. 2m 54sec for the 200m CSS Pace - 1m39sec/100m |
2015-11-12 9:11 PM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims Originally posted by Gregwilkoaus hi all Did the 400m and 200m TT today. That hurt!!! 6m12sec for the 400m. Was under 6min pace for 250m then fell to bits, wheels came off. 2m 54sec for the 200m CSS Pace - 1m39sec/100m That's pretty cool.....I think the numbers match up for a person looking to get back to swim shape. My bet is that you'll make some pretty quick gains since you already know how to swim. Edited by Left Brain 2015-11-12 9:13 PM |
2015-11-12 11:19 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
8 | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims was great fun, exciting to get back into it. 15*100 on the 1min50 it is 3 times per week i will retest in 1 month and revert back. Lets smash this 6min mark!! |
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2015-11-13 6:09 AM in reply to: Gregwilkoaus |
Master 8247 Eugene, Oregon | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims Think you will be fine. My 400m TT is pretty similar to yours, but I can only do about 1:26 for 100m all out. Also have a youth swim background but have been doing tri-type swim workouts and some master's swim for several years (46 now). I think once you get the fitness back, and learn to pace the longer events (there is an art to it, and even a 1500m or 1000m is a somewhat different animal than a 400m), your times will come down quickly. Funny about the 200m/800m protocol--My first thought when I saw that was, "Puke express!" Going anaerobic on the 200m (for me at least, it's not a totally aerobic effort) and then trying to push an 800m--ugly. I can also envision that, having gotten into the faster tempo on the 200m, I would then be much more likely to crash and burn on the 800m, which I wouldn't do otherwise. |
2015-11-13 7:10 AM in reply to: Hot Runner |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims Originally posted by Hot Runner Funny about the 200m/800m protocol--My first thought when I saw that was, "Puke express!" Going anaerobic on the 200m (for me at least, it's not a totally aerobic effort) and then trying to push an 800m--ugly. I can also envision that, having gotten into the faster tempo on the 200m, I would then be much more likely to crash and burn on the 800m, which I wouldn't do otherwise. The thing is that protocol is looking for something completely different than the 200/400 CSS protocols. To do best overall, you still need to pace the 200, even if it's 'all out' |
2015-11-13 9:06 AM in reply to: Gregwilkoaus |
1300 | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims Originally posted by Gregwilkoaus was great fun, exciting to get back into it. 15*100 on the 1min50 it is 3 times per week i will retest in 1 month and revert back. Lets smash this 6min mark!! That's a good idea adding in another swim per week. Based on your OP that you are swimming 1500M X 2/wk are you going to extend your swims now past 1500M ? I'd switch it up a bit if you're planning on only doing the bolded part. |
2015-11-13 10:21 AM in reply to: marcag |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: 100m intervals swims Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by Hot Runner Funny about the 200m/800m protocol--My first thought when I saw that was, "Puke express!" Going anaerobic on the 200m (for me at least, it's not a totally aerobic effort) and then trying to push an 800m--ugly. I can also envision that, having gotten into the faster tempo on the 200m, I would then be much more likely to crash and burn on the 800m, which I wouldn't do otherwise. The thing is that protocol is looking for something completely different than the 200/400 CSS protocols. To do best overall, you still need to pace the 200, even if it's 'all out' Yep.......I watch plenty of good swimmer tri Jrs. go +/- 1:55 on the 200 and then come back with a +/- 8:30 on that test. "All out" for most of us does not mean the same as "all out" to a swimmer......they know they can't swim a 200 at their :46-:49 100 pace.......or more accurately, their :20 - :22 50 pace, which IS all out. You still have to pace a 200 "all out". |
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