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2007-04-25 1:08 PM

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Subject: From Bodybuilding to Triathlon????
Hi everyone,

I was wonder how hard would be for me to switch from an anaerobic sport to an aerobic one.

I already control most of the key elements: Pain Control, Effort, Focus, Nutrition, Overload and Rest. Also let me give some info about my status:

5'6"
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6% Bodyfat

Squat 405 lb x 12 reps
Leg Press 1125 lb x 10 reps
Deadlift 455 lb x 8 reps
Bench 315 lb x 8 reps
Shrugs 580 lb x 6 reps

Could it be an advantage or disadvantage my leg power???

What should be my training like more power oriented or more endurance????(I can run for an
hour carb depleted)

I dont wanna lose size so i will be keeping my protein intake @ 1~1.5g x bw lb.

How long will it take my to get ready for an sprint tri if i train 3 times per week???

Other thoughts will be very welcome.


2007-04-25 1:26 PM
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None of your cited statistics matter anymore. "Pain Control, Effort, Focus, Nutrition, Overload and Rest" are ancillary details. Tell us how far and how fast you can swim, bike and run.

Cycling, for example, is not about strength, but about power/weight ratio. Not about lifting XX for X reps, but generating YY watts per pound of body weight, over an extended period of time.

And that size you wish to maintain will probably be a disadvantage.

How long it will take to train depends on where you are with respect to the three disciplines, and will also depend on your goals. I would imagine you could get out there and finish a short sprint tomorrow. To be competitive, maybe longer.

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2007-04-25 1:37 PM
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Thank you for your replay,

About the info you ask me for I dont have any

But I'm here to learn
2007-04-25 1:43 PM
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Subject: RE: From Bodybuilding to Triathlon????

While I was far from a bodybuilder, I was an avid weight lifter/trainer for 4 years before starting tri's.  I thought I was in pretty good shape, stong lifts, kept my weight under control, etc.

My first spin class, the 50 yr old ladies were out riding me.   Talk about a dish of humble pie.  The dedication attitude may help you, and it is nice to have some strength, but endurance sports are a totally different game.

One word of warning, this stuff is really addicting.

2007-04-25 1:47 PM
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2007-04-25 1:54 PM
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Subject: RE: From Bodybuilding to Triathlon????
Finish and be competitive.


2007-04-25 2:02 PM
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i think it would take time to adjust from body building to triathlon. I think you can do it though but i would stop the body building because bulk muscle will weigh and slow you down in running and cycling and cause your form to not be as good in swimming. This is because you want lean muscle mass to be more efficient. If you want to be competitive your going to have to change from body building to triathlon. i dont think you can do both.

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2007-04-25 2:08 PM
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How's your swimming?

Oh...and since my friends aren't making with the pleasentries...welcome to BT!



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2007-04-25 2:16 PM
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Thank you and i forgot to say I'm 22 years old.

I havent started yet I will start in 2 weeks but I have been gathering as much info as i can.

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2007-04-25 2:37 PM
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Subject: RE: From Bodybuilding to Triathlon????
Hey Raul--

Welcome to BT!

Like you, I was an avid weight trainer-- for 20 years. I got into Tri's about 4 years ago and I can tell you firsthand it's a difficult transition to make if you want to be competitive. Unfortunately, the sports are pretty much polar opposites. In Tri, you'll be using diffferent muscle fibers, different energy systems and a whole different psychology (don't underestimate the mental aspect.) Also, as someone already pointed out, you're going to want to drop some of that muscle weight even though you have a very lean physique.

However, your weight training will serve you well in that it has taught you self-discipline, how to block out pain, etc., and it's given you a good base of strength and vascularity to draw from.

My suggestion would be to pick up a copy of Joe Friel's Triathletes Training Bible and familiarize yourself with the principles of endurance training. Some will already be familiar to you (periodization, light and heavy workouts, etc.) but some will be completely new.

Initially, you will want to focus all your training on building up an aerobic base. Until this is well established, you will probably only want to attempt sprint distance races. It can take many months or years to build the base necessary for longer races (HIM+) if that is your goal.

The length of time it will take you to prepare for a Sprint race depends heavily on your skill levels in swimming, biking and running. You seem to have a decent, if shallow, cardio base so you should be able to progress nicely although I highly doubt if you'll be anywhere close to a podium finish if that's what you mean by "competitive".

Good luck!

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2007-04-25 2:51 PM
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Subject: RE: From Bodybuilding to Triathlon????
Hi Scoobysdad,

I kindly appreciate your replay.

- Fast twitch to Slow twitch
- I'll get a copy of the book.
- By competitive i meant try to do get closer and closer to the first place (Improve everyday).

Short Term Goal: Finish a sprint marathon.
Lets see if i really feel that triathlon is for me =).

Middle Term Goal: Olympic distance

Long Term Goal: Maybe 1/2 Iron or why not Full Iron

The only hard thing to do for me will be let go some weight =(.




2007-04-25 3:02 PM
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For many people working towards their first triathlon, swimming is the most difficult part. Even if you are in great shape, and you know how to swim, it often take some time to be able to swim any length continuously. The shortest trialthons usually have swims that are 400-500 meters. It took me several months to be able to swim 500 meters continuously, and even then, it took so much effort to do so that I couldn't have then biked and run very well after. It was then several more months before I could swim the distance continuously and still have the energy to bike and run. You are much younger and in better shape than I was when I started so you will likely progress faster, but this part may take a while.

If you can run for a hour, you have some endurance, so likely won't have difficultly completing the bike and run portion of a sprint tri. Without knowing more, I can't comment on how long it would take you to be competitive.

If you goal is truly to be competitve, I would think that would be difficult on 3 days a week. You are going to be competing against those who focus on triathlons 6-7 days a week and do little to no strength training
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2007-04-25 3:56 PM
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This guy made the transition from powerlifter to ultra-athlete.  He's David Goggins, Navy SEAL, 6'1" 195lbs.  Just placed 2nd at the Ultraman contest (his first attempt too).  So, it definitely can be done.

2007-04-25 4:09 PM
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Oh, and good luck showing up at the gym when you tell the other dudes that you're working on triathlon instead of getting bigger...... they laugh...... a lot.


ROFL yeah i can almost hear it. Are you F@#$@# crazy!!!!!! hahahaha.
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2007-04-25 4:20 PM
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Subject: RE: From Bodybuilding to Triathlon????

Hey, welcome to BT. 

1. It will not be much of a stretch for you to to switch from an anaerobic sport to an aerobic one.

2. The key elements you claim to possess, pain control, effort, focus, nutrition, overload and rest sound like they will allow you to train with some amount ofsuccess in the sport.  

3. Your leg power is neither an advantage nor a disadvantage, just a good base to begin cycling and running.

4. Endurance is what is most required in this sport.  If you can run for an hour, I would say that you are at least 1/3 of the way to becoming a triathlete.

5. Judging by your physical capacity, your core strength is already way up there. 

6. If you are going to swim, run and bike, your weight distribution will undoubtedly shift.  Although, if you keep up your present weightlifting regimen, that may not happen. 

7. You are probably ready to do a sprint tri right now.  Just try one on your own, swim 500 meters at your local pool, cycle 20kms then run 5kms.  Do not worry about the time of transition  yet, just do what you can.

8. Your upper body strength will be a definite asset in swimming.  However, it is the most technically demanding of the three sports so you might consider taking swim lessons.

9. Do you have a bike?  You don't need a top of the line tri bike at this point.  Any bike that you might have on hand, that is tuned and fitted to you, will do.  A road bike would be best but if you have a mountain bike you can put slicks on it to reduce drag.

10. For the running portion make sure that you get some good running shoes.  Don't skimp on this.  Running is demanding on your feet so get the best possible protection you can by buying the best shoes for you.  

11. Keep reading BT, ask lots of questions and enjoy yourself.



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the bear - 2007-04-25 1:26 PM

Cycling, for example, is not about strength, but about power/weight ratio. Not about lifting XX for X reps, but generating YY watts per pound of body weight, over an extended period of time.

Bear, you like to be blunt in your posts, so I'll return the favor: this is stupid. Yes, it's true that power/weight ratio is key, but power is a function of strength. As a general rule, the stronger athlete will generate more power. Lifting X weight for Y reps will ultimately result in Y increase in watts. Nothing that you, JohnnyKay, or any of the other folks who don't believe in strength training can say will ever change this fact.

2007-04-25 4:22 PM
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MikeTheBear - 2007-04-25 4:21 PM

the bear - 2007-04-25 1:26 PM

Cycling, for example, is not about strength, but about power/weight ratio. Not about lifting XX for X reps, but generating YY watts per pound of body weight, over an extended period of time.

Bear, you like to be blunt in your posts, so I'll return the favor: this is stupid. Yes, it's true that power/weight ratio is key, but power is a function of strength. As a general rule, the stronger athlete will generate more power. Lifting X weight for Y reps will ultimately result in Y increase in watts. Nothing that you, JohnnyKay, or any of the other folks who don't believe in strength training can say will ever change this fact.



This sounds very interesting THE BEAR.

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MikeTheBear - 2007-04-25 4:21 PM
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Cycling, for example, is not about strength, but about power/weight ratio. Not about lifting XX for X reps, but generating YY watts per pound of body weight, over an extended period of time.

Bear, you like to be blunt in your posts, so I'll return the favor: this is stupid. Yes, it's true that power/weight ratio is key, but power is a function of strength. As a general rule, the stronger athlete will generate more power. Lifting X weight for Y reps will ultimately result in Y increase in watts. Nothing that you, JohnnyKay, or any of the other folks who don't believe in strength training can say will ever change this fact.

Not going to argue with you, there's plenty of research out there, let the more technical people argue the specifics. But with your extensive weightlifting background, how fast can you go on the bike?



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the bear - 2007-04-25 4:31 PM
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the bear - 2007-04-25 1:26 PM

Cycling, for example, is not about strength, but about power/weight ratio. Not about lifting XX for X reps, but generating YY watts per pound of body weight, over an extended period of time.

Bear, you like to be blunt in your posts, so I'll return the favor: this is stupid. Yes, it's true that power/weight ratio is key, but power is a function of strength. As a general rule, the stronger athlete will generate more power. Lifting X weight for Y reps will ultimately result in Y increase in watts. Nothing that you, JohnnyKay, or any of the other folks who don't believe in strength training can say will ever change this fact.

Not going to argue with you, there's plenty of research out there, let the more technical people argue the specifics. But with your extensive weightlifting background, how fast can you go on the bike?

Not very fast at all, but that's because I have a sh&tty power to weight ratio - I currently weigh 225 and it's mostly fat. Now, if I got down to 185, but maintained, perhaps even increased, my strength, how fast would I be? That's my point.



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Well, raul only weighs 185. How fast can he cycle? Or can you find me another weight lifter who broke an hour in a 40K within his first 1000 miles of cycling?

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2007-04-25 5:05 PM
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there is the site that use to caclulate weight with watts to detnermine speed in such and if you drop alot lot of weight it did not change speed as much as if you increased power. The real thing is on the hills where you gain and how often are you not on an incline or decline? Perfectly flat is hard to do.

gearing and such is also huge on the bike as well as your own endurance.
2007-04-25 5:14 PM
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the bear - 2007-04-25 4:45 PM Well, raul only weighs 185. How fast can he cycle? Or can you find me another weight lifter who broke an hour in a 40K within his first 1000 miles of cycling?

Specificity rules in all sports, so you can't put a weightlifter or bodybuilder on a bike and expect him or her to go fast on their first ride. But given the proper cycling training, who would be the faster rider: the one with a solid base of strength or the one with mediocre strength levels? Hard to say, but my money is on the stronger athlete.

Here's a guy who, according to this source, weighed 175, and he was a pretty fair cyclist. I would consider 175 to be on the somewhat heavy side for an endurance athlete, especially at a height of 5' 10". He also trained with weights. Granted, this particular guy was a genetic freak, and rumors have it that he had "pharmaceutical assistance," but still, he was a good 20-40 lbs. heavier than some of his teammates who were not as successful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Armstrong

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