Please explain the evils of diet coke.

Type 2 diabetes has multiple causes.  There are skinny people with it as well.

Still not sure what the caffeine/diabetes link is though.  I've never heard that.  Gonna have to do some research regarding that.

Lisac,

Why would a doctor say that coffee has an antidiabetic effect??? Study after study has shown antidiabetic effects of coffee. The March 10 Journal of the American Medical Association carries the latest epidemiological evidence—two European studies showing that people who drink 6 to 10 cups of coffee, primarily caffeinated, per day tend to develop type 2 diabetes at lower rates than individuals do who drink 2 or fewer cups a day.  He would likely say it because STUDY AFTER STUDY said it first. 

First things first... you are making an absolute connection that simply cannot be made.  Yes it is true that being overweight is a CONTRIBUTING factor to insulin resistance which CAN result in type 2 diabetes.  However being overweight does not mean you will be a diabetic neither does being of normal weight mean you will not.  Contributions are contributions but the link is not 100%.  Having an anti-diabetic effect does not mean a magical cure it simply means that it tends to reduce the incidence of type 2 diabetes in people who consume less coffee.  So if you are interested in the science you can obtain a copy of the JAMA March 10th and review one of the many, many studies out there on this subject.  Here's a link to some information http://www.medforum.nl/idm/coffee,_tea_and_their_impact.htm

O... the soda issue probably the biggest issue for renal compromised people is the increased phospate level which can leach calcium from the bones leading to osteoporosis.  However this doesn't seem to apply here. 

I end the hijack and refer to my original post. 

Soooo his consumption of 4377.6 mg of caffeine a day wouldn't be potentially concerning? if you are referring to Armstrong's study of caffeine then I would say well he only covered 1-4 cups of coffee per day and apparently the "myth" is not completely dead as the American Heart Association seems to believe it http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4445

Additionally in an article from CTS http://www.runnersweb.com/running/rw_news_frameset.html?http://www.... the writer stresses moderation and I don't think that is the case here. I never indicated that caffeine was evil and frankly I enjoy it more than most but when dealing with large numbers/amounts I don't think that the studies have been done.

DIet coke has about 46mg per can.  3 liters is about 9 cans, so he is drinking less than 450 mg per day.  A large latte has close to that much on its own.  

I stand corrected on the math.   I looked it up and it said per oz but should have said per 12oz... oh the fun of quick internet research. 

http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20031023/speciality-coffee-caffeine-... actually it's even less per cup of coffee per webmd.  I agree on the $$$ though as soda isn't free.

WOW

Aloha and many many thanks all you good people. Lots of info here.

I guess what makes the most impression on me here is the effects of caffine and sweeteners. Really interested in the 'increasing desire for carbs' aspect. Of course the bucks aspect makes god sense to and I do consider myself to be smart! (Idid say consider myself, not sure anyone else would)

So my next question would be what should h2o consumption be? Any ideas or advice.

Mahalo all

I'd drink until you aren't thirsty anymore.   Lot's of people say you should drink 8 glasses or 16 glasses or 1 oz per kg, etc, etc.  I think your body is smart enough to let you know when you are thirsty, so listen to it. 

 (P.S. whenthe body tells you that it is thirsty for Diet COke, it really wants caffiene, not fluids)

His consumption is with fluid.  Caffeine doesn't offset that fluid amount.  There's a big distinction to be made between purely taking in caffeine and taking it as part of a drink.

The AHA also believe a low fat/cholesterol diet is the best thing for everybody.  They're kinda stuck in the 80's on non-pharmacologic therapies.

Obesity is not a cause of diabetes.  It is a concurrent problem caused by similar metabolic derangements that lead to diabetes and other manifestations of metabolic syndrome.  Type 2 diabetes is caused by increasing resistence to insulin's effects, regardless of the cause.

"I honestly can't think of any really GOOD reasons why you WOULD drink soda. Unless it's mixed with alcohol..."

I agree with this statement completely!

3 litres?

Balance is good.  Excessive anything is rarely good.  In your case, imagine if you substitued the same amount of fluid for something that is good for you.  Just give it up. You'll find that you won't miss it after a while and you'll  have overcome yet another hurdle.