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2009-08-13 1:24 PM

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Subject: Swim improvement after 1st Tri
Okay so I just got my first tri out of the way and my swim was really slow, but thats okay cause up until a week before the tri I had never swam more then 200 yards non-stop, and then I had a breakthrough and was swimming 1000+ yards non-stop but it was REALLY slow.

So now I have some confidence in my ability to prevent from drowning.  I want to improve on how fast I swim.

1) Do I just continue to swim 1000 - 1500 yards sessions and over time I just get naturally faster?

2) Do I need to start working on drills to get faster?

3) Do I just swim faster forgoing my ability to go longer distances, but over time I am able to go longer distances?

Another issue is that I'm pretty sure that even though I'm capable of swimming these longer distances, i'm still pretty much dragging my body (not balanced).


2009-08-13 1:27 PM
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Subject: RE: Swim improvement after 1st Tri
4. Work one-on-one with a coach for a few lessons. Learn the proper form and then work on distance.

Really, if you do not have proper form and your body is dragging, swimming MORE with bad form really isn't going to make you any faster.

Good luck!

2009-08-13 1:30 PM
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I was afraid you were going to say that.  Okay gotta find a coach.

8 weeks ago I went from scratch to tri's and I'll say this, this sport aint cheap!

KSH - 2009-08-13 1:27 PM 4. Work one-on-one with a coach for a few lessons. Learn the proper form and then work on distance. Really, if you do not have proper form and your body is dragging, swimming MORE with bad form really isn't going to make you any faster. Good luck!
2009-08-13 1:34 PM
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hornsfan - 2009-08-13 2:30 PM I was afraid you were going to say that.  Okay gotta find a coach.

8 weeks ago I went from scratch to tri's and I'll say this, this sport aint cheap!


I here ya, on all levels.

A good coach will help a lot.  Swimming is a technique sport. 
2009-08-13 1:48 PM
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HA! No it's not!

Shoot, I have been swimming for 20 years... and swam competitively in HS... but my swim times have leveled off and even I am considering some coaching lessons. I think my times won't drop because there is something flawed about my stroke holding me back from going faster.

Really though, the longer you swim with bad form the harder it will be to correct. It's money well spent- if you care about getting faster and it sounds like you do.

Great job on starting tri's and getting out there and doing it!


hornsfan - 2009-08-13 1:30 PM

I was afraid you were going to say that.  Okay gotta find a coach.

8 weeks ago I went from scratch to tri's and I'll say this, this sport aint cheap!

KSH - 2009-08-13 1:27 PM 4. Work one-on-one with a coach for a few lessons. Learn the proper form and then work on distance. Really, if you do not have proper form and your body is dragging, swimming MORE with bad form really isn't going to make you any faster. Good luck!
2009-08-13 1:58 PM
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Yeah, Form first, then distance.

I'm at the point myself where I've tweaked my form as much as I can without outside help (and it has helped), so I'll be looking for a coach soon to correct whatever else needs correcting. I can do the distances, and I'm not slow, but I'm not as fast as I'd like to be either.


2009-08-13 3:43 PM
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hornsfan - 2009-08-13 11:24 AM Okay so I just got my first tri out of the way and my swim was really slow, but thats okay cause up until a week before the tri I had never swam more then 200 yards non-stop, and then I had a breakthrough and was swimming 1000+ yards non-stop but it was REALLY slow.

So now I have some confidence in my ability to prevent from drowning.  I want to improve on how fast I swim.

1) Do I just continue to swim 1000 - 1500 yards sessions and over time I just get naturally faster?

2) Do I need to start working on drills to get faster?

3) Do I just swim faster forgoing my ability to go longer distances, but over time I am able to go longer distances?

Another issue is that I'm pretty sure that even though I'm capable of swimming these longer distances, i'm still pretty much dragging my body (not balanced).


Ok, assuming that you have a fairly decent stroke and that you don't have any huge glaring flaws that need to be corrected, there are two terms you need to know to swim faster.

Threshold and Interval.

Threshold swimming consists of swimming short (50-300m) distance close to your top speed, with short (10-30 second) rest intervals.

Interval swimming consists of swimming short (50-300m) distance at or above your top speed, with long rest intervals.

So, lets say you have a drop dead, can't go any faster without a motor pace of 2:00/100 for 300m. That probably means that you have a 100% pace of maybe 1:50 for 100m.

A threshold set would be something like 10x100 on 2:05, :15 RI. (10 100's, each 100 swum at or under 2:05, and 15 seconds rest in between each one). An interval set would be something like 10x100 hold 1:55, 1:00 RI. (10 100's, each one at or faster than 1:55, 1:00 rest interval).

A threshold set is designed to increase the amount of time you can spend at a given speed before you die. An interval set is designed to make your top speed faster. When you can make all your sets at your written pace comfortably, it's time to do another threshold test and reassess your goal times.

If you truly want to get faster at swimming, you've gotta hurt in the pool, and you've got to have the yardage. swimming 4000m in a week is the swimming equivalent of running 10mpw or so. Ain't gonna cut it if you want to get faster.

John
2009-08-14 12:02 PM
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tkd.teacher - 2009-08-13 3:43 PM
hornsfan - 2009-08-13 11:24 AM Okay so I just got my first tri out of the way and my swim was really slow, but thats okay cause up until a week before the tri I had never swam more then 200 yards non-stop, and then I had a breakthrough and was swimming 1000+ yards non-stop but it was REALLY slow.

So now I have some confidence in my ability to prevent from drowning.  I want to improve on how fast I swim.

1) Do I just continue to swim 1000 - 1500 yards sessions and over time I just get naturally faster?

2) Do I need to start working on drills to get faster?

3) Do I just swim faster forgoing my ability to go longer distances, but over time I am able to go longer distances?

Another issue is that I'm pretty sure that even though I'm capable of swimming these longer distances, i'm still pretty much dragging my body (not balanced).


Ok, assuming that you have a fairly decent stroke and that you don't have any huge glaring flaws that need to be corrected, there are two terms you need to know to swim faster.

Threshold and Interval.

Threshold swimming consists of swimming short (50-300m) distance close to your top speed, with short (10-30 second) rest intervals.

Interval swimming consists of swimming short (50-300m) distance at or above your top speed, with long rest intervals.

So, lets say you have a drop dead, can't go any faster without a motor pace of 2:00/100 for 300m. That probably means that you have a 100% pace of maybe 1:50 for 100m.

A threshold set would be something like 10x100 on 2:05, :15 RI. (10 100's, each 100 swum at or under 2:05, and 15 seconds rest in between each one). An interval set would be something like 10x100 hold 1:55, 1:00 RI. (10 100's, each one at or faster than 1:55, 1:00 rest interval).

A threshold set is designed to increase the amount of time you can spend at a given speed before you die. An interval set is designed to make your top speed faster. When you can make all your sets at your written pace comfortably, it's time to do another threshold test and reassess your goal times.

If you truly want to get faster at swimming, you've gotta hurt in the pool, and you've got to have the yardage. swimming 4000m in a week is the swimming equivalent of running 10mpw or so. Ain't gonna cut it if you want to get faster.

John


Wow! Thanks John.... I know I didn't ask the OP question but that is the exact advice i needed for my swim training. This technique is very similar to what I normally do on the bike (exercise bike, cuz im a tri noob!) and run days, I didnt think to apply it to swimming.
2009-08-14 12:06 PM
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Subject: RE: Swim improvement after 1st Tri

Yea I'm gonna tri this and see what happens.

2009-08-14 12:53 PM
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I second the suggestion with a coach.  Challange is to find a good swim coach.. Not some teenage lifeguard looking to make a few extra bucks.  You wants someone who teaches at lease at the high school level... I had 5 lessons with a masters swim instructor and one with the pool director at my local Y.. They both were legit.  Did they help. YES... but my challange is to do what they recommended.  Application is the challange for me now...
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