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 2018-05-08 12:24 PM |
Champion  10157    Alabama |  Subject: The Entitlement GenerationI think the current generation should be called the Entitlement Generation. Entitled to a trophy, entitled to free college and entitled to disregard the rules. https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/07/us/university-of-florida-black-gradua... "(CNN) — A student's biggest dream is to walk across the stage during their school's commencement ceremony; getting rushed off the stage is not. This was the case for a number of African-American students at the University of Florida's ceremony on Saturday. As students were called up to receive their diplomas, some decided to perform a quick celebratory dance. But a faculty member didn't find the performances to his liking, and forcibly rushed the graduates off the stage." A few years ago I attended my son's graduation from the University of Alabama. I don't know how many people graduated that spring but it took forevah! to call all those names and give out their diplomas. Before the started they had asked people not to make a lot of noise when their graduate's name was called and they walked across the stage so the next name being could be heard. Despite this plea there were dozens of families that completely ignored this plea and made a huge racket yelling and screaming.....and drowning out the next person's name that was called. Anyway, I think these kids were out of line and deserved to be 'rushed' off the stage. |
| 2018-05-08 12:47 PM in reply to: Rogillio |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: The Entitlement Generation Funny.......I had this conversation with my twins yesterday, "next week, during your graduation ceremony, if you act like an idiot on the stage and make a spectacle of yourself you will walk home, any questions?" Maybe for college it's different for some kids.....but it won't be for mine. I pay for it, you respect it......end of story. I'm from the I'll whip your arse if you embarrass me generation.....it's not negotiable. |
| 2018-05-09 8:26 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: The Entitlement Generation We just sat through the Iowa State graduation ceremony on Saturday. It was brutally long, but we survived. Fortunately no outbursts, but there was quite a lot of "bling" on the various caps and gowns. I quickly identified the gender studies majors because they felt it was important to have every rainbow and non-american symbol they could find pasted on their caps and gowns. I chuckled at my wife and told her those were the barista majors. ;-) |
| 2018-05-09 9:46 AM in reply to: tuwood |
1300 | Subject: RE: The Entitlement Generation I must be loosing my faculties because I in part agree with the students. The usher was way too aggressive with them. The rest of it is BS. They were acting like idiots, wasting everyone’s time and most likely had zero to do with racism. Like LB said “in my day” that would have been as whoop’n. |
| 2018-05-09 10:19 AM in reply to: Goggles Pizzano |
Champion 10157 Alabama | Subject: RE: The Entitlement Generation Originally posted by Goggles Pizzano I must be loosing my faculties because I in part agree with the students. The usher was way too aggressive with them. The rest of it is BS. They were acting like idiots, wasting everyone’s time and most likely had zero to do with racism. Like LB said “in my day” that would have been as whoop’n. I agree, I don't think it had anything to do with race. The three issues are: 1. Time. You have to call 1000+ names and each of them has to get their diploma and shake the dean's hand. This means parents who came to see their child graduate have to wait for 3+ hrs for their kid's 10 seconds of glory! Unneccessary delays because you want to show off and extend you time on stage just makes an already long day longer. 2. Detraction. While you are dancing a little jig and showing off the next graduate's experience is diminished if the crowd is laughing at the previous person acting a fool. 3. Decorum. There is a traditional atmosphere at graduations. It is a time to honor the academic achievements of students. This is not a football game! Students work for 4 to 8 years earning their degree and I think turning it into a dance comedy affair cheapens the event. People are free to express themselves but themselves but when your expressing yourself effects other people, there has to be limits. You are free to talk on your cell phone but if not when you sit next to me in the movie theater....unless you want a bucket of popcorn dumped on your head. |
| 2018-05-09 8:34 PM in reply to: Rogillio |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: The Entitlement Generation I would just like to have it known for the record that those kids are not millenials, they are generation dickwad or whatever |
| 2018-05-09 8:50 PM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: The Entitlement Generation Originally posted by dmiller5 I would just like to have it known for the record that those kids are not millenials, they are generation dickwad or whatever BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! My twins walk next week from HS......I'm showing them your post. LOL BTW Dave.....all of my kids have asked about you from time to time to see if you are still racing. They were young but suitably impressed that you were racing at the AG World Championships and I knew you. Edited by Left Brain 2018-05-09 8:57 PM |
| 2018-05-10 12:35 PM in reply to: Rogillio |
Champion 7553 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: The Entitlement Generation There are a couple "easy" fixes to the situation. First, the administration needs to clearly communicate the "acceptable culture" at the ceremony. Communicate this to graduates weeks ahead of time. Communicate it to spectators in the printed bulletin and reiterate it at the beginning of the ceremony (just like silencing cell phones). ALL graduates and ALL spectators are expected to comply with the "acceptable culture" during the entire ceremony INCLUDING spectators not leaving early (unless escorted out for being disruptive). Consequences of failure to comply are part 3 and are communicated to everyone. Second, as part of explaining the need for this, administration needs to communicate that each student gets X seconds of "limelight" to hear their name announced, accept their diploma (holder), and move away for the next student's X seconds. In a small group, X can be large and there can be time for waving, dancing, noise from the crowd. The administration should, just like the episode, keep graduates to their allotted X seconds. UofF's flaw was to not explicitly state what X was, leaving them open to charges of discrimination. Third, (and this was done at my HS way back in the day) the administration presents an EMPTY diploma holder to the graduate and the actual diploma and student records are released only after they and their spectators behave properly during the ceremony.
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| 2018-05-10 1:15 PM in reply to: McFuzz |
Champion 10157 Alabama | Subject: RE: The Entitlement Generation Originally posted by McFuzz There are a couple "easy" fixes to the situation. First, the administration needs to clearly communicate the "acceptable culture" at the ceremony. Communicate this to graduates weeks ahead of time. Communicate it to spectators in the printed bulletin and reiterate it at the beginning of the ceremony (just like silencing cell phones). ALL graduates and ALL spectators are expected to comply with the "acceptable culture" during the entire ceremony INCLUDING spectators not leaving early (unless escorted out for being disruptive). Consequences of failure to comply are part 3 and are communicated to everyone. Second, as part of explaining the need for this, administration needs to communicate that each student gets X seconds of "limelight" to hear their name announced, accept their diploma (holder), and move away for the next student's X seconds. In a small group, X can be large and there can be time for waving, dancing, noise from the crowd. The administration should, just like the episode, keep graduates to their allotted X seconds. UofF's flaw was to not explicitly state what X was, leaving them open to charges of discrimination. Third, (and this was done at my HS way back in the day) the administration presents an EMPTY diploma holder to the graduate and the actual diploma and student records are released only after they and their spectators behave properly during the ceremony.
My son also got an empty folder when he graduated college. I don't actually think the diploma means much. Most employers, if they want proof, want your transcript. In my experience anyway. I agree about spelling out the rules. The problem is, in the age of entitlement, the rules don't apply to me! I make my own rules and only comply with the ones I agree with. At my son's graduation they asked people not leave the ceremony until it was over but we saw dozens and dozens of people who left right after their graduate had walked. It was an interesting study in social behavior as I watch those who left and those who didn't. I would try to look right at people....and most avoided eye contact....indicating they knew they were wrong for leaving. If you make a rules that prohibits someone showing their asz then you have to back it up with a penalty of some sort. Maybe delay sending their transcript and/or diploma for 6 months. Or maybe hit them with a taser as they come off the stage! Prolly only have to do that to one person..... |
| 2018-05-10 1:31 PM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: The Entitlement Generation Originally posted by dmiller5 I would just like to have it known for the record that those kids are not millenials, they are generation dickwad or whatever *snerk* Generation dickwad. A new phrase is born as the next generation of Americans steps into the labor pool. Edited by mdg2003 2018-05-10 1:31 PM |
| 2018-05-11 9:56 AM in reply to: McFuzz |
| 1300 | Subject: RE: The Entitlement Generation Originally posted by McFuzz I agree with your fixes but I don’t think they are easy. I think you could talk until you are blue in the face and a certain number of Kids are still going to act like that on stage. Also I’d like to see the storm that insued if a graduate didn’t get their diploma for dancing while walking. More so if the school refused to release transcript - what have you and the graduate had trouble getting a job. There are a couple "easy" fixes to the situation. First, the administration needs to clearly communicate the "acceptable culture" at the ceremony. Communicate this to graduates weeks ahead of time. Communicate it to spectators in the printed bulletin and reiterate it at the beginning of the ceremony (just like silencing cell phones). ALL graduates and ALL spectators are expected to comply with the "acceptable culture" during the entire ceremony INCLUDING spectators not leaving early (unless escorted out for being disruptive). Consequences of failure to comply are part 3 and are communicated to everyone. Second, as part of explaining the need for this, administration needs to communicate that each student gets X seconds of "limelight" to hear their name announced, accept their diploma (holder), and move away for the next student's X seconds. In a small group, X can be large and there can be time for waving, dancing, noise from the crowd. The administration should, just like the episode, keep graduates to their allotted X seconds. UofF's flaw was to not explicitly state what X was, leaving them open to charges of discrimination. Third, (and this was done at my HS way back in the day) the administration presents an EMPTY diploma holder to the graduate and the actual diploma and student records are released only after they and their spectators behave properly during the ceremony.
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| 2018-05-11 10:50 AM in reply to: Goggles Pizzano |
Champion 10157 Alabama | Subject: RE: The Entitlement Generation Originally posted by Goggles Pizzano Originally posted by McFuzz I agree with your fixes but I don’t think they are easy. I think you could talk until you are blue in the face and a certain number of Kids are still going to act like that on stage. Also I’d like to see the storm that insued if a graduate didn’t get their diploma for dancing while walking. More so if the school refused to release transcript - what have you and the graduate had trouble getting a job. There are a couple "easy" fixes to the situation. First, the administration needs to clearly communicate the "acceptable culture" at the ceremony. Communicate this to graduates weeks ahead of time. Communicate it to spectators in the printed bulletin and reiterate it at the beginning of the ceremony (just like silencing cell phones). ALL graduates and ALL spectators are expected to comply with the "acceptable culture" during the entire ceremony INCLUDING spectators not leaving early (unless escorted out for being disruptive). Consequences of failure to comply are part 3 and are communicated to everyone. Second, as part of explaining the need for this, administration needs to communicate that each student gets X seconds of "limelight" to hear their name announced, accept their diploma (holder), and move away for the next student's X seconds. In a small group, X can be large and there can be time for waving, dancing, noise from the crowd. The administration should, just like the episode, keep graduates to their allotted X seconds. UofF's flaw was to not explicitly state what X was, leaving them open to charges of discrimination. Third, (and this was done at my HS way back in the day) the administration presents an EMPTY diploma holder to the graduate and the actual diploma and student records are released only after they and their spectators behave properly during the ceremony.
It would be easy enough to enforce. Have each student sign something like this: I understand that attending the graduation ceremony is voluntary. It is a privilege not a right and is not required to get your degree. If I do participate I agree to abide by the following code of conduct. I understand that if I violate the code of conduct my transcript and diploma will held for 6 months. Additionally, if I show my asz or act a fool on stage I authorize security to zap my sorryass with taser. |
| 2018-05-11 11:09 AM in reply to: Rogillio |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: The Entitlement Generation The agreement I have with my kids is much simpler and they aren't even required to sign it. It says.....Try it, I dare you. |
| 2018-05-11 11:54 AM in reply to: Rogillio |
Champion 7553 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: The Entitlement Generation Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Goggles Pizzano It would be easy enough to enforce. Have each student sign something like this: I understand that attending the graduation ceremony is voluntary. It is a privilege not a right and is not required to get your degree. If I do participate I agree to abide by the following code of conduct. I understand that if I violate the code of conduct my transcript and diploma will held for 6 months. Additionally, if I show my asz or act a fool on stage I authorize security to zap my sorryass with taser. Originally posted by McFuzz I agree with your fixes but I don’t think they are easy. I think you could talk until you are blue in the face and a certain number of Kids are still going to act like that on stage. Also I’d like to see the storm that insued if a graduate didn’t get their diploma for dancing while walking. More so if the school refused to release transcript - what have you and the graduate had trouble getting a job. There are a couple "easy" fixes to the situation. First, the administration needs to clearly communicate the "acceptable culture" at the ceremony. Communicate this to graduates weeks ahead of time. Communicate it to spectators in the printed bulletin and reiterate it at the beginning of the ceremony (just like silencing cell phones). ALL graduates and ALL spectators are expected to comply with the "acceptable culture" during the entire ceremony INCLUDING spectators not leaving early (unless escorted out for being disruptive). Consequences of failure to comply are part 3 and are communicated to everyone. Second, as part of explaining the need for this, administration needs to communicate that each student gets X seconds of "limelight" to hear their name announced, accept their diploma (holder), and move away for the next student's X seconds. In a small group, X can be large and there can be time for waving, dancing, noise from the crowd. The administration should, just like the episode, keep graduates to their allotted X seconds. UofF's flaw was to not explicitly state what X was, leaving them open to charges of discrimination. Third, (and this was done at my HS way back in the day) the administration presents an EMPTY diploma holder to the graduate and the actual diploma and student records are released only after they and their spectators behave properly during the ceremony.
And for spectators, as part of their admission ticket: By entering this facility, I agree to abide by ceremony standards and any action or behavior that diminishes the experience for officials, participants, or other spectators will result in arrest and a citation for disturbing the peace. |
| 2018-05-11 1:37 PM in reply to: McFuzz |
| 1300 | Subject: RE: The Entitlement Generation Still agree with your concept and agree that’s how it should be. I think it’s completely unenforceable. It would undoubtably end up in court and all over the media. Look at some of the backlash over this stupidity. You think any university wants to face scrutiny for preventing someone from getting a job. Preventing them from paying student loans? Plus I can already imagine some of the entitled parents screaming about paying x amount of dollars in tuition and now I’m facing charges or paying a fine. |
| 2018-05-11 4:50 PM in reply to: Goggles Pizzano |
Champion 7553 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: The Entitlement Generation Originally posted by Goggles Pizzano Still agree with your concept and agree that’s how it should be. I think it’s completely unenforceable. It would undoubtably end up in court and all over the media. Look at some of the backlash over this stupidity. You think any university wants to face scrutiny for preventing someone from getting a job. Preventing them from paying student loans? Plus I can already imagine some of the entitled parents screaming about paying x amount of dollars in tuition and now I’m facing charges or paying a fine. There are really 2 choices for institutions: 1) Regain control of the ceremony through the temporary backlash of enforcing the standards. 2) Discard graduation ceremonies they can't control. Pretending to hold a distinguished ceremony in the face of unacceptable behavior is simply a slow route to option 2. |
| 2018-05-23 9:34 AM in reply to: McFuzz |
| 197 | Subject: RE: The Entitlement Generation You guys are being pretty hard on the millenials (or dickwads?) I think. And here's my "proof". I quote it as I wasn't there, but I am nearly certain that this is true. I would be willing to bet that dozens if not hundreds of those cars that the boomers and genxers drove to watch their darlings walk across that stage were parked illegally; possibly to the point that emergency responders would be hindered if called upon. J White |
| 2018-06-04 10:25 AM in reply to: McFuzz |
Champion 7553 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: The Entitlement Generation There may be hope... The school enforced dress code and punctuality requirements. |
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