Strength program from Friel
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2008-10-18 12:43 PM |
Expert 1027![]() ![]() Zürich, Switzerland | Subject: Strength program from FrielNext week I am going to start (for the firt time in my life) the strength program which is from Friel book, the training bible. I have few questions on that. In the AA phase, the suggested exercises I am going to choose are
Can you answer to the questions on the list please? What do you think in general about this plan? P.S. I can not upload the program since it is 1.2MB Edited by Plissken74 2008-10-18 12:50 PM |
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2008-10-18 3:18 PM in reply to: #1751630 |
Elite 2608![]() ![]() ![]() Denver, Colorado | Subject: RE: Strength program from FrielPlissken74 - 2008-10-18 12:43 PM I have a gym in the office building so it should be time saving but I have an horizontal leg press and not oblique like the one depicted in the document: is it the same? All leg presses are generally the same. Plissken74 - 2008-10-18 12:43 PM What do you think in general about this plan? Since you mentioned that you have never done any strength training before in your life, this plan will work well. In fact, expect to see tremendous gains. These are called "newbie" gains and they will only last a few weeks. While I am not 100% convinced that an "anatomical adaptation" phase is necessary, I'm not going to question it. Do the plan as written and enjoy your gains. Plissken74 - 2008-10-18 12:43 PM lat pull down (is it optional with standing bent arm or not???) The lat pull down and row work slightly different muscle groups. Both are excellent exercises. Do them both. Plissken74 - 2008-10-18 12:43 PM leg press (is it better step-up????) I cannot begin to tell you how much better the step up is compared to the leg press. Plissken74 - 2008-10-18 12:43 PM chest press (is it better push-ups???) Push ups are better than a chest press in a machine, but you are limited by your own body weight. A bench press using free weights is the best. Plissken74 - 2008-10-18 12:43 PM heel rise (because I always feel some sort of pain at Achilles tendon and it should strengthen it...doesn't it?) Yes, it will strengthen the tendon to some degree, but this will not necessarily guarantee that you will be pain free. However, you have nothing to lose by doing the exercise. |
2008-10-18 3:51 PM in reply to: #1751724 |
Expert 1027![]() ![]() Zürich, Switzerland | Subject: RE: Strength program from FrielMikeTheBear - 2008-10-17 10:18 PM I cannot begin to tell you how much better the step up is compared to the leg press. So I go for step up...no leg press
As last exercise it is reported: heel rise, harmstring curl, knee extension. One of these three depending on personal weakness. I thought heel rise because of my Achilles tendons but what do you think in general of those three? Which is more useful indipendently of the weaknesses? Btw, thanks a lot for your post! Very useful |
2008-10-18 6:24 PM in reply to: #1751756 |
Elite 2608![]() ![]() ![]() Denver, Colorado | Subject: RE: Strength program from FrielOf these three exercises, heel rise, harmstring curl, knee extension: Which is most useful independently of the weaknesses? I would say hamstring curl. Strong hamstrings are very important for many things, especially knee stability. However, keep in mind that squats and step ups also work the hamstrings as well as the quadriceps. They work the entire leg. Which is least useful? Knee extensions. I've read several articles from people who know a lot about enhancing sports performanace suggesting that knee extensions are bad for the knees. Personally, I've never had a problem with them, but I'm not taking a chance, especially since they are not all that useful for purposes of enhancing performance. Stick with squats and step ups. |
2008-10-22 11:04 PM in reply to: #1751630 |
Extreme Veteran 680![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Boulder, CO | Subject: RE: Strength program from FrielPlissken, I'm not quite the same as Joe but I did write a book with him. So here goes... Lat Pull Down -- standing is a different exercise than traditional -- I like both. With standing -- keep your shoulders down/back and your elbow "high" so you are training similar to your catch in swimming -- most will need to go VERY light when they start. Step-up -- vary between weeks with leg press -- both are good. Leg Press is the safest place to blast your legs. Also, I really like single leg press -- very different feel from two-legged exercises. Chest press -- OK to swap push ups -- not a limiter for most athletes. Single leg calf raises -- very important to help with Achilles issues. Also see... http://coachgordo.com/gtips/various/triatletes_achilles_tendonitis.html Horizontal leg press -- not the same but OK for your uses. I like the plan. As an added bonus, here is what I do myself -- this is a mid-base program. ++ Squats – use body weight or 45 lbs bar to start (20 reps) then 2 sets of 15 reps building to a mod-hard effort Leg Press – two sets of 15 reps building to a hard effort Single Leg Press -- two sets of 8 per side building to a mod-hard or hard effort (depends on feel). Single Leg Extensions -- two sets ensuring maximal extension -- don't go all that hard as you want to ensure maximal extension and a very tight firing of the inner quad. Reps are in the 12-15 range. Aim to recover to an angle of about 105 degrees. Single Leg Hip Bridges -- two sets // goal is to get to the point where you can do 20 reps per side in a single set. Aim for total reps (split between sets) of 20-30. Low back never touches during the sets, no rest between sets. Single Leg, Standing Calf Extensions -- one set straight leg, one set bent leg -- done continuous -- aim for 15-20 reps per side, per set. Maintain ankle, knee and hip alignment. Push through your big toe and keep foot stable. Walking Lunges -- done slowly, lift leading leg up, performed a controlled lunge, dip twice, then bring trailing leg forward then repeat. Perform forward & backward lunges. This exercise is good for training hip stability and balance on your support leg. 20-30 cycles each direction. Bent Arm Pull Downs -- scapula down and in // body vertical // TVA fired // maintain high elbow with shoulders down. Superset (alternate exercises) with Lat pull downs – 15 reps per set, two sets. Lat pull downs -- slow speed of movement, pull to front of body, maintain scapula control. Prior to each rep, slowly let shoulders come up to ears, pull shoulders/scapula down/back, then perform rep. 15 reps per set, alternating with Bent Arm Pull Downs. Seated Rows – again, scapula control is important – use a grip that has your thumbs pointing up with hands shoulder width apart. Prior to each rep, relax your shoulders forward then slowly draw shoulders/scapula back/together, then perform rep with proud posture (chest out, shoulders back). 15 reps per set, two sets. Tricep Extension – keeping your upper arm parallel to your body and your elbows stable throughout the rep. Use the robe attachment to the standing tricep extension machine. Focus on a slow speed of movement and the finish of each rep. 15 reps per set, two sets. |
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