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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() On Thursday I am meeting a new psychiatrist to work on controlling my ADHD. I've now tried most of the meds and they either have unacceptable side effects or don't do anything. I'm supposed to come up with the central thing I want to address. This will be the 3rd doctor I've been to. I didn't really connect with the first two, but I also feel like I didn't adequately convey what my issues are. So I'm writing down the information I feel they need. And would love to have some input. Did I adequately convey my message? The following is what I've written on the subject as well as posted in my blog. I've figure out fairly effectively how to control my attention issues as well use them to my benefit, and since it was brought to my attention, I've been working on controlling my impulsive behavior where it impacts social situations. Most notably interrupting people. I used to think it was my impulsive behavior that leads me to take risks but I'm no longer positive that is the root cause. I like to go fast. More so then most people I know, especially adults with spouses and children who depend on them, the notable exceptions being other ADHD people. It has been said that a person with ADHD has a supercharged brain. I feel like normal people start to become overwhelmed as they move faster because their brains can't keep up with all the information that is presented to them and needs to be processed. On the other hand it is only when I start going very fast that the information being presented to my brain is enough so that it doesn't wander. I don't bungee jump or sky dive or do any of the quick fix things typical of so called adrenaline junkies. I like to spend long times at high speeds because I am addicted to the ability to focus. It's hard for people who don't have a problem focusing to understand what it is like to never be able to focus on one thing, to always have multiple lines of though running through your head and constantly jump back and fourth so that you never get a complete picture of each. Serenity for me is only having one line of thought going through my head. It is only when I am flying down a trail on a mountain bike, or hauling through the woods on skis that there is only one line of through in my head. It's all about processing the information presented to me and making adjustments so I don't crash. The intense focus blocks out the chaos around me along any thoughts about what would happen if I crash or that I have a daughter at home that needs her daddy. But those few fleeting moments of calmness are so exquisite that I continue to take the risks despite not wanting to any more. I need to exercise. I need to do it in a way that isn't boring but no matter how much I tell myself that I need to not allow myself to go to fast, once I get out there and get moving I lose sight of my reasons for not wanting to go fast. I was lucky when I was younger and suffered minor consequence. Only bad bruises, shoulder subluxation and plenty of road rash and scrapes. In February of 07 I hit a tree while skiing way too fast in the woods. Had I been out of bounds like earlier in the day I would have died lying in the snow alone. I was in bounds near people and was rushed to the hospital where I spent a week in the ICU. 2 months later I was riding again. 3 months later I was doing all the drop offs at my local loop. In September 07, just 7.5 and a half months after the ski accident, I fell off of a teeter totter while mountain biking and suffered a grade 3 AC separation. I wasn't able to change my daughters diapers for a few days. Thanks to an inattentive ER doc and a misdiagnosis I was riding 6 days later. I fell 7 days after the AC separation and had to get stitches in my eye brow. Going to the ER two Sundays in a row was the final straw. I didn't ski last winter, I sold my downhill bike and I tried to avoid taking risks on my bikes. Since I thought I was addicted to adrenaline, I thought I would try an replace that with endorphins. I decided to take up triathlon. What I found was that I drank more, I'd get buzzed once a week which is a lot for me. The feeling is so close to what I feel like after a long mountain bike or a day of skiing that I used it as a replacement. And I started driving faster. I'd be cruising along not paying attention to the speedometer and next thing I know I'm doing 95mph. The repercussions of these two things are far worse then just doing my risk taking on my own. I decided to not allow myself more then one drink on rare occasions. I got another burly bike and went back to the riskier type riding that I crave. Since making that decision late last spring I've had maybe 5 drinks. I'm content to tool along in the slow lane doing no more then a couple miles over the limit. I also came across a podcast about risk taking in outdoor activities like mountain biking, skiing, rock climbing and mountaineering. It discussed how the brain reacts to stress. When surprised with a potential life or death situation the brain has the typical flight or flight reaction. Epinephrine is created which does a host of things physiologically but also shuts down the decision making center of the brain. When knowingly placed in a stressful, potentially life or death situation the body creates norepinephrine which has very similar physiological effects but allows the brain to focus and make rapid decisions to avert the situation. This was like a revelation to me. It completely explained why I love to put myself into danger. It gives me to ability to focus and allows me those precious moments of calm. It also explains why Triathlon can't replace the riskier sports although I do plan to continue with it. My goals are to either find a way to manage myself so that I don't need to take risks or drink to replace the afterglow of a day spent on the edge. Or reconcile my conscience with my addiction to risk taking. Realize that if I allow myself to do so in a controlled manner I don't put others at risk but it is important to my mental health to occasionally toe the line while minimizing the consequences as much as possible. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Some input from a mental health professional: (Disclaimer: I don't know you personally, so take this for what it's worth. Just some general suggestions) 1. Most things can't be fixed with medication alone. Research shows the best 'fixes' are found through medication and counseling. This will generally involve seeing both a psychiatrist and a counselor or psychologist 2. Research also shows that the people who do finally find a 'fix' for their problems are people who are the most persistent. They don't let a couple failed interactions with providers where they don't 'hit it off' keep them from continuing to pursue help 3. Be sure you have a good, solid diagnosis. Adult ADHD is the big, popular diagnosis of the year. Yes, people do have this (probably me, for instance). And yes, it's also overdiagnosed because it creates a whole new market for ADHD medication. Make sure you've seen someone who is qualified to make a diagnosis in this specialty area. You say the meds don't work - maybe you don't actually have ADHD. There are lots of personality or other problems that look like ADHD as well. Also, you often have to stay on these meds for 4-6 weeks before they'll really start working for you, and people often give up after a week or two due to side effects (which can also go away after a little more time). 4. Take a long, hard look at whether you have a drinking problem. The information in your post makes me think this may be a possibility. Talk frankly with your treatment providers about your concern in this area, and have them formally screen you for this diagnosis. I highly recommend to my patients who are taking meds for mental health conditions that they do not drink alcohol or use other, 'recreational' drugs. You're trying to get your brain chemistry going in the right direction with the prescription meds, don't self-medicate or confuse the picture by using other substances. 5. Regarding the 'central thing' you want to work on, try to pinpoint which behaviors/situations bother you. Is it the interpersonal stuff? Is it the risk taking and impulsivity stuff? What do you most want to change about your life? 6. Although I've never been diagnosed with this, I have lots of this stuff in my life as well. Don't know how old you are - I think some of us more impulsive, disorganized folks just eventually find our niche in life. And develop some sense of self-preservation which keeps us from doing stupid things. Like trying to do aerials off a really high ramp on a snowboard at age 43, and winding up with a fractured vertebra Good luck to you, and don't give up! Give some serious thought to my two cents worth regarding alcohol - when you have to start spending time thinking about regulating/controlling/cutting back your drinking, this usually means there's a problem.
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I am a psychologist and usually avoid giving out mental health advice because often there is only partial info to go by (and it isn't real professional to do so)....but.... ADHD can and does cause risk taking behavior. I was told in my training that a person with ADHD should never drive a car without being on meds due to the risk taking and impulsive behavior. Obviously that cannot be enforced...but should make you think about your risk taking. Alcohol can be a form of self-medicating. I really don't want to say too much as I don't know all the details... I am giving you a website to check out. He is the leading expert on ADHD. I saw him speak once: http://www.russellbarkley.org/adhd-facts.htm.
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks for the input. ADHD is not a new diagnosis for me. It's been over a decade since I was diagnosed as a teen by a doctor who specialized in adolescent mental health and more specifically in ADHD. Recently I did some self evaluation and realized I wasn't managing as well as I though without meds. I had been on some for several years when I was first diagnosed but went off because of the side effects. I understand the importance of patience and persistence. RE: Drinking, I could very well have a drinking problem if I allowed myself to. I did discuss this with the new doctor and my wife so we're all aware of the issue. I've never had to have a drink, and never done anything bad because of drinking. I'd like to keep it that way. Right now he wasn't concerned. It's funny that driving was brought up. My mom was a teacher and from the time I was in second or third grade she was fairly certain I had ADHD, but I went to a small private school and the teachers were able to work with me to help me be successful. My dad was very much against any type of meds until I had my license for a couple years. That's when I started going through the formal diagnosis process. I'm very grateful that we went through the Doctor we did. He was outside of our insurance plan but my parents paid out of pocket because he was supposedly one of the best in our area. He has since retired otherwise I'd still be consulting with him. The diagnosis process took almost a year with him. Driving is also one of the reasons I wanted to go back on meds now. I haven't had any accidents since I was a teen but wish that I was more focused on it. Also, I always forget which is which, psychiatrist vs. psychologist. The guy I am seeing now is for counseling. I've pretty much given up on meds. I know that for some people there are just none that work. I am going to go see a doctor in the same practice who specializes in Adult ADHD medication to see if there is anything else worth trying but counseling is still the major focus. The meeting with the new doctor went really well and I'm looking forward to working with him. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Bronwyn1968 - 2008-11-21 10:45 AM I am a psychologist and usually avoid giving out mental health advice because often there is only partial info to go by (and it isn't real professional to do so)....but.... ADHD can and does cause risk taking behavior. I was told in my training that a person with ADHD should never drive a car without being on meds due to the risk taking and impulsive behavior. Obviously that cannot be enforced...but should make you think about your risk taking. Alcohol can be a form of self-medicating. I really don't want to say too much as I don't know all the details... I am giving you a website to check out. He is the leading expert on ADHD. I saw him speak once: http://www.russellbarkley.org/adhd-facts.htm.
Be careful giving out that website. Another thing you often see in people with ADHD is poor self image because of a host of things but one of the biggest is the focus on the negative aspects of ADHD. It was eye opening for me to read Delivered from Distraction by Ed Hallowell and John Ratey. One of their major points as that we (the patients, mental health professionals, educators and family of ADHD people) need to focus on the positive aspects that ADHD. It was a major mental shift for me that helped me to feel much better about myself and feel much better about admitting that there were some things I didn't like and that it was ok to address them. I read the first couple major characteristics and already I felt the old feelings of insecurity creeping into my head. Nothing he says is incorrect but it's all very negative. I'd give out this site http://www.borntoexplore.orgif you want to give people a place to go to learn about ADHD. As well as suggest that they read Delivered from Distraction (book) and Driven to Distraction (book), both published by Dr. Ned Hallowell and Dr. John Ratey. They can also check out Ed Hallowell's website http://www.drhallowell.com/index.html |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() The other folks have touched upon it, I will say it explicitly. Anything that we say beyond general advice - puts our licenses at risk. Anything that can be interpreted as practicing on the internet will screw us up professionally. With that said... 1 - When you go through practitioner's are they telling you the same thing, or something different each time? Research a practitioner (most states have license discipline online now) and get referrals. Consider sticking with one for a while before switching. 2 - I enjoy reading Hallowell and Ratey, but they do have their slant on things. I also recommend that you read Russell Barkley Taking Charge of ADHD. |
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